Swampfox
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« Reply #30 on: September 12, 2009, 10:00:28 PM » |
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Thanks for your opinions, I was wondering this too.
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uber_survival_dude
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« Reply #31 on: September 12, 2009, 10:01:15 PM » |
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Carrying a revolver means you simply pull the gun and pull the trigger. If you don't want to keep a round in the chamber of an autoloader, but want something ready to fire, carry a revolver. Is it safe to carry a locked and loaded handgun? Ask the next cop you see, a man that carries a pistol 8-9 hours a day, 5-6 days a week if he keeps one in the chamber. Now ask if he's ever had an accident because of it. If I were worried about the possibility of accidentally killing myself of someone else with my auto, I'd get a wheel gun. And I'd do that before I carried a gun for self defense that for all intents and purposes wasn't loaded.
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« Reply #32 on: September 12, 2009, 10:02:45 PM » |
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I was an LEO for 14 yrs. We carried on and off duty with round chambered, no safety. That is how I would suggest you carry. Here are the reasons:
Racking slide takes two hands and is near impossible to do when grappling or otherwise one-handed.
Disengaging the safety takes fine motor control and the presence of mind to do it, which might disappear in times of great stress.
A word of caution:
The above advise only applies if you have GOOD LEATHER. Your holster should cover and protect the trigger completely. Your holster is your safety in this situation.
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Swiss K31 Hi Point 995 P-38 (Grandpa bring back) Steyr M95 MN 91/30 ex-sniper MN M44 Marlin 60 Phoenix Arms HP22 Rossi .357 no name SA 22/22wmr revolver Lots of cheap guns... That shoot very well!
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« Reply #33 on: September 12, 2009, 10:08:58 PM » |
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Here's my answer to the revolver question (not mine, but just like the one I have). Flame away! http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.asp?Item=133647519
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Swiss K31 Hi Point 995 P-38 (Grandpa bring back) Steyr M95 MN 91/30 ex-sniper MN M44 Marlin 60 Phoenix Arms HP22 Rossi .357 no name SA 22/22wmr revolver Lots of cheap guns... That shoot very well!
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Pistol35743
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« Reply #34 on: November 03, 2009, 01:37:23 PM » |
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speaking to the idiot who drop tests his pistol, you, sir, are an idiot. rule number one. don't drop your pistol. ever. when it comes out of the leather you should be in total control of it. no fumbling or juggling allowed. i sincerely hope we never meet in a situation where i have to depend on you to save my life. i can picture your trying to sell a pistol; well sir, this ding is from drop testing it on concrete and this one was from asphalt, my pistols may show holster wear, but that is reasonable. you probably test matches to make sure they work?? as to the question about carrying one in the chamber. i do. i dont depend upon the safety. i use it but distrust it. i build my own holsters and design them to be as safe as possible. when i draw the pistol, it is set right in my hand and ready for instant use. and i practice each and every day with frequent live firing sessions. the only way to carry a firearm is to be totally aware of it and to be ready to draw and fire at an instants notice. as to the mean woman, i carried a 5 shot S&W as a plainclothes duty weapon for years and didn't feel underdressed. old people have no business using an ankle holster, carry it in the most convenient position possible. if i was expecting to have to use it i would even carry it in my hand!!
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« Reply #35 on: November 03, 2009, 02:34:17 PM » |
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As comfrortable with a revolver as the OP appears to be, I think he should be acrrying a revolver. Most incidents do not involve any rounds being fired. Even when rounds are fired, the usual is one or two. So having a six shooter should be more than enough in most cases.
But if a pistol is what you want to carry, one in the chamber is the only way I would carry. Safety on for a SA. Make flicking off the safety part of your draw practice. It will become ingrained in no time.
For a DAO pistol with a heavy trigger pull, no safety is required....just like a revolver.
So really, and I know this is a Hipoint forum, if the OP decides to carry a pisto, he should probably get a DAO or a DA/SA because his familiarity with revolvers will make the transition more natural.
Just my .02
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« Reply #36 on: November 03, 2009, 02:42:40 PM » |
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I bought this holster awhile back. In the manual(yes it came with a manual) it said not to carry with a round in the chamber unless the manufacturer said this was safe, but i don't know what Hi-Point says about this. As for more rounds in the gun, someone once said, "If you need more than 6, you'll need a lot more than six." But I don't carry, so I wouldn't really know...
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tsafa
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« Reply #37 on: November 03, 2009, 02:53:15 PM » |
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For carry... I think I would prefer a revolver. I don't like the idea of locked and cocked. There are two possibilities for failure there. First the safety may shift off (easy on 1911), second, the safety may not shift when you want it to. I would prefer to carry an auto unchambered for safety reasons but now that needs two hands to chamber the first round. Revolver can be operated with one hand and you don't have to worry about a safety. Auto's are good for situations where you expect to be attacked by multiple assailants. They are also lots of fun to shoot.
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« Reply #38 on: November 03, 2009, 07:33:11 PM » |
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I bought this holster awhile back. In the manual(yes it came with a manual) it said not to carry with a round in the chamber unless the manufacturer said this was safe, but i don't know what Hi-Point says about this. As for more rounds in the gun, someone once said, "If you need more than 6, you'll need a lot more than six." But I don't carry, so I wouldn't really know...
I would think that the holster manufacturer is covering their backside with that statement rather than speaking to the practicality of carrying without one in the tube. Just a guess though. Splitter
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« Reply #39 on: November 03, 2009, 08:17:10 PM » |
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I did carry a revolver for awhile....but a thumb injury has forced(?) me to use a pistol.....that having been said....ive always carried one in the chute with the safety on.
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« Reply #40 on: November 04, 2009, 06:52:16 AM » |
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For a DAO pistol with a heavy trigger pull, no safety is required....just like a revolver. Finally, someone states the obvious. A revolver is always in "condition two" - unless you are the person who does the "hammer down on empty chamber" routine, cutting your round count by one. For carry... I think I would prefer a revolver. I don't like the idea of locked and cocked. There are two possibilities for failure there. First the safety may shift off (easy on 1911), second, the safety may not shift when you want it to. I would prefer to carry an auto unchambered for safety reasons but now that needs two hands to chamber the first round. Revolver can be operated with one hand and you don't have to worry about a safety. Auto's are good for situations where you expect to be attacked by multiple assailants. They are also lots of fun to shoot. What's the difference between a revolver "Condition Two" and a DA pistol "Condition Two"? All of your preferences stated above for the revolver can be applied to a DA pistol - no need to chamber a round, one-handed operation, no concerns about a safety. This is one of the reasons that Glocks are so popular with LE - their revolver-like operation coupled with a semi-auto's round capacity.
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« Reply #41 on: November 07, 2009, 05:32:32 PM » |
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If I were you and I was in a very looming shtf situation as yourself. I'd get a glock or ruger if I wanted to care one in the whole. Don't get me wrong I love my C9 but still. I know there's people who trust their lives to their HP's but I'm not one of them.
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« Reply #42 on: November 08, 2009, 05:54:38 AM » |
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If I were you and I was in a very looming shtf situation as yourself. I'd get a glock or ruger if I wanted to care one in the whole. Don't get me wrong I love my C9 but still. I know there's people who trust their lives to their HP's but I'm not one of them.
Then WHY own a weapon you don't trust your life to? I've carried mine for 5 years at work as an armed security guard and it NEVER failed me. In fact in qualifying my C9 shot flawlessly while another guy's Glock messed and jammed on him!! If it had been a real situation he'd be dead. Oh BTW I've had a round in the chamber now [with the exception of my last move here to Texas] for these 5 years straight.
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« Reply #43 on: November 08, 2009, 01:24:11 PM » |
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i want me one of these....though i will never be able to afford it
Bomber, Its a nice gun but be sure and check the ballistics before you buy. Huge difference between the snub and 4 in barrels.
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firebird45331
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« Reply #44 on: November 08, 2009, 02:38:46 PM » |
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If I were you and I was in a very looming shtf situation as yourself. I'd get a glock or ruger if I wanted to care one in the whole. Don't get me wrong I love my C9 but still. I know there's people who trust their lives to their HP's but I'm not one of them.
Then WHY own a weapon you don't trust your life to? I've carried mine for 5 years at work as an armed security guard and it NEVER failed me. In fact in qualifying my C9 shot flawlessly while another guy's Glock messed and jammed on him!! If it had been a real situation he'd be dead. Oh BTW I've had a round in the chamber now [with the exception of my last move here to Texas] for these 5 years straight. I hate to say it but I'm asking myself that same question if I can't get my C9 to shoot reliably quick I'll be unloading it.
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