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« Reply #15 on: July 14, 2009, 02:18:40 PM »

I'm all for a 22LR pistol that looks something like a Walther 22 semi.
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« Reply #16 on: July 14, 2009, 04:53:19 PM »

I think a .22 pistol would be a HUGE seller for HP...as long as they didn't try to just rechamber the C9/CF380 configuration.  It would need to be smaller for me.
I think it would sell like crazy anyway.
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« Reply #17 on: July 14, 2009, 05:16:25 PM »

I agree with the idea that a pistol would be a better market fit than a rifle.  That said, I'd give up pocket-pistol size for like something about the Phoenix HP-22 (10 round mag) with the target barrel -- but without the weird design.  Also, as others have said: design it specifically for .22LR, rather than just scaling down the existing pistols.

On the other hand, for a real pocket pistol, keep the size small, but chamber it for .22 mag.

As for price, I think $100 is needlessly low -- $135-$150 would be the range of Phoenix and Jimenez, and it'd doubtless be a better firearm.
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« Reply #18 on: July 14, 2009, 05:20:41 PM »

Possibly a concealable 22mag as well, a 20 round mag with it. In the C9 frame.
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« Reply #19 on: July 14, 2009, 07:03:27 PM »

I agree with the idea that a pistol would be a better market fit than a rifle.  That said, I'd give up pocket-pistol size for like something about the Phoenix HP-22 (10 round mag) with the target barrel -- but without the weird design.  Also, as others have said: design it specifically for .22LR, rather than just scaling down the existing pistols.

On the other hand, for a real pocket pistol, keep the size small, but chamber it for .22 mag.

As for price, I think $100 is needlessly low -- $135-$150 would be the range of Phoenix and Jimenez, and it'd doubtless be a better firearm.
Right, it is in the best interest of Hi Point owners fro Hi Point to make a butt load of money, by providing a quality, economical firearm!
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« Reply #20 on: July 14, 2009, 07:13:24 PM »

I would defianetly buy one.  I love 22s very affordable and cheap to shoot.  I think they would be a huge seller. 
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« Reply #21 on: July 14, 2009, 08:21:12 PM »

Possibly a concealable 22mag as well, a 20 round mag with it. In the C9 frame.
Since the original manufacturer isn't interested, how about a variation on this .22 mag:


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« Reply #22 on: July 14, 2009, 08:23:40 PM »

Possibly a concealable 22mag as well, a 20 round mag with it. In the C9 frame.
Since the original manufacturer isn't interested, how about a variation on this .22 mag:




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« Reply #23 on: July 14, 2009, 09:37:04 PM »

that thing is eeefin sweet looking. 
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« Reply #24 on: July 15, 2009, 09:34:52 AM »

That would be nice, but .22 mag in a C9 frame would be even better. There were always questions of reliability with the .22 mag autoloaders though, or so I've heard. Some say that the that the 5X7 isn't that far off from a .22 mag.
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« Reply #25 on: July 15, 2009, 09:41:47 AM »

That would be nice, but .22 mag in a C9 frame would be even better. There were always questions of reliability with the .22 mag autoloaders though, or so I've heard. Some say that the that the 5X7 isn't that far off from a .22 mag.
When the 5.7X28 was fired placed on the market here, I asked for comparisons between it and .22 mag from pistol barrels.  Actual ballistics are not easy to compare because the .22 mag numbers are almost always from a 16" or longer barrel.  Once someone was able to dig me up some real numbers it became apparent that a pistol firing 5.7 is giving you .22 mag performance at a centerfire (expensive one) price.

Also, a friend of mine has one of the FN pistols (I've never fired a P90 of any type) and while it's okay, it isn't particularly exciting;  I don't think it's worth the cost.  A .22 mag at a premium of $100 or so over their centerfire price (engineering a new pistol and designing/making a mag that will feed .22 mag well will cost) would, in my opinion, be a good deal.  I think it would be prudent for HP to use as many off the shelf parts as possible.
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« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2009, 11:41:19 PM »

I am in the market for both a 22 rifle and pistol, I would be all over HiPoint if they made one!
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« Reply #27 on: July 20, 2009, 07:36:20 AM »

HP has a prototype 22 pistol in the vault.  ive seen pictures of it here and other places.  the killer with rimfires is magazines.  making a reliable magazine for a rimfire round is daunting to say the least.  a 6-10 round mag isnt a real big deal, others have been doing it for decades, the problem is (just like every other HP product) you get all the whiners "wheres our hi cap mags?  it isnt that hard to make a hi cap mag!" starting in. 

yes HP can do it.  the prototype proves it.  is it economically feasible for them to do so in a market already saturated with cheap 22 pistols?  doubtful.  a carbine may do better sales wise but you still have the market saturation problem.  rimfires are already one of americas most popular firearms and nearly every manufacturer that makes firearms, makes one in rimfire.  just because HP doesnt, doesnt make them unintllegent for not doing so.  Quite to the contrary actually.  they see a market loaded with guns already and cant see the ability to recoup the millions in line setups for a new gun that may not sell that well. 

HP makes a weapon that fills a particular niche very well.  affordable, quality handguns and carbines for people who dont care about asthetics or fancy stuff.  just a simple reliable weapon that goes bang every time.  no more no less.  we should be partying in the streets such a company can exist in todays litigous arms enviroment, not picking at them for not making a product that already has a market saturated with weapons, bad and good alike.

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« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2009, 07:49:44 AM »

market already saturated with cheap 22 pistols

All the ones for less than $250ish seem to suck though...
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« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2009, 09:07:02 AM »

Anyone know where you can view the pics of the HP prototype .22?Huh?Huh???     I have heard mention of it on different websites but never seen any pics?Huh?Huh?
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