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« Reply #30 on: September 16, 2009, 06:16:13 PM »

I have no idea why you would even want a revolver based carbine.  It doesn't make any sense to me.  The main reason they wouldn't make it is because probably like 5 people would buy one.

I think the main selling point would be to compensate for differences of inter-caliber characteristics, since you would not be dependent on a specific blow-back to feed the next round.  Shotshells come to mind - you cannot shoot 9mm shotshells through a semi-auto carbine without physically recharging the bolt each time.  And some have commented on mag feeding problems with certain hollow point ammo.  A revolver carbine with DA would solve these problems.  Imagine being able to mix and match hollow points and shotshells in any order you like - that's one of the selling points of the Taurus Judge, right?

Remember with DA revolvers you are guaranteed no FTE's, FTC's, et al.  In a SHTF situation which one would you want to bet your life on, a semi auto carbine or a DA revolver carbine?

You're right that the idea would take getting used to by the firearm enthusiast community, I won't argue that point.  I'm just saying if such could be had for a reasonable price it would have it's own niche market.
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« Reply #31 on: September 16, 2009, 06:37:32 PM »

And I'd like to apologize to anyone who might have been offended by my original (now deleted) description of how one might react to the prospect of being able to actually purchase an affordable revolver carbine.  I personally do not consider the word in question to be in the vein of engendering a sexual connotation within the context of how it was presented within my post.  I'll make the effort to tread a little lighter from now on.
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« Reply #32 on: September 16, 2009, 07:56:28 PM »

"Remember with DA revolvers you are guaranteed no FTE's, FTC's, et al.  In a SHTF situation which one would you want to bet your life on, a semi auto carbine or a DA revolver carbine"

ive had neumerous revolvers show up to me in states of damage that rendered the revolver unable to fire for a variety of reasons.  revolvers are no more "guaranteed" to work than any semi auto.  saying so is ludacris to say the least.

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« Reply #33 on: September 16, 2009, 08:25:54 PM »

How is it ludacris?  Thats the main selling point of revolvers.  They don't jam, they don't FTF, or FTE.  If your round is a dud, just pull the trigger again.
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« Reply #34 on: September 16, 2009, 08:55:29 PM »

saying a firearm is "guaranteed not to fail" shows a distinct lack of intelligence.  ANY FIREARM CAN FAIL. 

revolvers are LESS likely to fail than autos.  and when my glock gives me eleven more rounds than your revo does, just as relaibly if not more so than your revo does, reloads in 1/10th of the time, and is just as powerful, i think ill stick to autos. 

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« Reply #35 on: September 16, 2009, 09:07:38 PM »

Yeah, personally I would rely on a good auto any day over a revolver.  I can have 33 rounds in my Glock 17, then 33 more in about a second, then 33 more, then 33 more... It's nice having the ability to throw out hundreds of rounds of ammo, if need be, in a short period of time with very little interference from reloading.  I've never had a problem with my Glock after hundreds of rounds, but if something did happen I'll gladly take racking the slide once over more frequent, longer reloads.

That's my opinion on the matter.
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« Reply #36 on: September 17, 2009, 04:27:49 PM »

IF someone wanted to make a Charter Arms based revolver rifle the way to do it would be to make a thumbhole style stock that attached like the normal grip panels on the Charter, to eliminate the possibility of SBR'ing a normal handgun some extra cuts in the grip frame could be made so the stock would only fit a carbine-specific frame. The rest is just a longer bbl with a lug on it for a simple screw on forearm. Minimal expense for tooling up, the stock could be a cheap injection molded job. If you really really want one, a competent gunsmith could carve out a buttstock for an unmodified handgun and add the longer bbl.

That said, they would never sell enough to make the project worth the trouble. If you get rid of the "gee whiz" factor, the design has almost nothing going for it to appeal to the general public. With the possible exception of faster reloading with speedloaders, a lever action would do anything the revolver carbine can. There is also the safety factor, while a chainfire in a modern revolver is rare, I'm not gonna put my hand out there in front of it.
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« Reply #37 on: September 17, 2009, 05:42:29 PM »

saying a firearm is "guaranteed not to fail" shows a distinct lack of intelligence.  ANY FIREARM CAN FAIL. 

revolvers are LESS likely to fail than autos.  and when my glock gives me eleven more rounds than your revo does, just as relaibly if not more so than your revo does, reloads in 1/10th of the time, and is just as powerful, i think ill stick to autos. 

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Saying a semi auto, especially a glock, is more reliable than a revolver shows the same lack of intelligence.

Revolvers don't fail to feed or fail to eject, they can't, as they don't feed or eject, so they can't jam either.  Never said they can't fail, but they can't have those problems. 
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« Reply #38 on: September 17, 2009, 06:03:00 PM »

Since my first revolver at age 21  I have NEVER had a problem with any of em and I have had several [still wish I had em today] 
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« Reply #39 on: September 17, 2009, 06:36:01 PM »

Yeah, personally I would rely on a good auto any day over a revolver.  I can have 33 rounds in my Glock 17, then 33 more in about a second, then 33 more, then 33 more... It's nice having the ability to throw out hundreds of rounds of ammo, if need be, in a short period of time with very little interference from reloading.  I've never had a problem with my Glock after hundreds of rounds, but if something did happen I'll gladly take racking the slide once over more frequent, longer reloads.

That's my opinion on the matter.

And you'd be right if a revolver carbine was limited to handgun sized loads, e.g. 5 to 8.  Remember now, revolvers are meant for holstering, conceal carry, that kind of use, so you need to keep the size of the cylinder slim relative to the firearm itself. 

That wouldn't be the case with a carbine or rifle - you could use a fatter cylinder that holds more rounds, perhaps as many rounds as a typical pistol mag.  From what I've seen of other folks' prize carbines and rifle set ups, width doesn't seem to be much of a concern!
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« Reply #40 on: September 17, 2009, 08:02:54 PM »

Yeah, personally I would rely on a good auto any day over a revolver.  I can have 33 rounds in my Glock 17, then 33 more in about a second, then 33 more, then 33 more... It's nice having the ability to throw out hundreds of rounds of ammo, if need be, in a short period of time with very little interference from reloading.  I've never had a problem with my Glock after hundreds of rounds, but if something did happen I'll gladly take racking the slide once over more frequent, longer reloads.

That's my opinion on the matter.

And you'd be right if a revolver carbine was limited to handgun sized loads, e.g. 5 to 8.  Remember now, revolvers are meant for holstering, conceal carry, that kind of use, so you need to keep the size of the cylinder slim relative to the firearm itself. 

That wouldn't be the case with a carbine or rifle - you could use a fatter cylinder that holds more rounds, perhaps as many rounds as a typical pistol mag.  From what I've seen of other folks' prize carbines and rifle set ups, width doesn't seem to be much of a concern!


 Yeah they could but then you'd have the added cost of making new cylinders rather then using what charter arms already has. seems, well, $$$$$$$
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« Reply #41 on: September 17, 2009, 08:49:08 PM »

Yeah, personally I would rely on a good auto any day over a revolver.  I can have 33 rounds in my Glock 17, then 33 more in about a second, then 33 more, then 33 more... It's nice having the ability to throw out hundreds of rounds of ammo, if need be, in a short period of time with very little interference from reloading.  I've never had a problem with my Glock after hundreds of rounds, but if something did happen I'll gladly take racking the slide once over more frequent, longer reloads.

That's my opinion on the matter.

And you'd be right if a revolver carbine was limited to handgun sized loads, e.g. 5 to 8.  Remember now, revolvers are meant for holstering, conceal carry, that kind of use, so you need to keep the size of the cylinder slim relative to the firearm itself. 

That wouldn't be the case with a carbine or rifle - you could use a fatter cylinder that holds more rounds, perhaps as many rounds as a typical pistol mag.  From what I've seen of other folks' prize carbines and rifle set ups, width doesn't seem to be much of a concern!


 Yeah they could but then you'd have the added cost of making new cylinders rather then using what charter arms already has. seems, well, $$$$$$$

Yeah, kinda looking to the future if such a beast ever makes it out of the top ten stupidest ideas section.
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« Reply #42 on: September 17, 2009, 08:54:04 PM »

What is it called when the cylinder is missaligned with the barrel on a revolver?
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« Reply #43 on: September 17, 2009, 09:31:02 PM »

Yeah, personally I would rely on a good auto any day over a revolver.  I can have 33 rounds in my Glock 17, then 33 more in about a second, then 33 more, then 33 more... It's nice having the ability to throw out hundreds of rounds of ammo, if need be, in a short period of time with very little interference from reloading.  I've never had a problem with my Glock after hundreds of rounds, but if something did happen I'll gladly take racking the slide once over more frequent, longer reloads.

That's my opinion on the matter.

And you'd be right if a revolver carbine was limited to handgun sized loads, e.g. 5 to 8.  Remember now, revolvers are meant for holstering, conceal carry, that kind of use, so you need to keep the size of the cylinder slim relative to the firearm itself. 

That wouldn't be the case with a carbine or rifle - you could use a fatter cylinder that holds more rounds, perhaps as many rounds as a typical pistol mag.  From what I've seen of other folks' prize carbines and rifle set ups, width doesn't seem to be much of a concern!


 Yeah they could but then you'd have the added cost of making new cylinders rather then using what charter arms already has. seems, well, $$$$$$$

Yeah, kinda looking to the future if such a beast ever makes it out of the top ten stupidest ideas section.

being as we have two users who cant let the idea lie, i really doubt that.

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« Reply #44 on: September 17, 2009, 10:29:54 PM »

I know it will never happen, I was just arguing that reliability is a HUGE benefit of it.
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