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Author Topic: So when it is already sporterized do you continue?  (Read 456 times)
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« Reply #15 on: October 16, 2009, 10:18:13 PM »

The soul of a gun is in the story that it tells you when you hold it for the first time and research the markings.  When you inspect every scar that is on it and wonder where they came from.  To me a military surplus rifle is way more than an inexpensive way to create a hunting rifle or plinker, to me it is a way to get in touch with a time and era that will never return.  To experience shooting the way so many brave soldiers from around the world got to experience it.  We are losing our veterans from WW2 everyday, we are never getting them back, saving and restoring these guns makes me feel as though I am helping to save and tell their stories to a future generation.  No matter what side the soldiers fought for, they all had one common binding thread, they fought for their countries, ideals and rights which they felt they deserved.  That is the main reason that I do not discriminate what types of guns that I collect.  In the end, some say it is your rifle to do with what you will but in reality it is not your rifle at all, you are simply the caretaker of a particular gun until another generation acquires it and does the same.  These guns outlasted the soldiers that used them and will almost certainly outlast us also.  That is my reasoning at least.  So yes, try to put it back to original if at all possible.  Just my  2 cents.

i agree with you to the bone,,but also someone posted about being already "bubba'd" than continue,,on that i also agree,,unless as i believe it was mentioned theres a reason not to,,i.e. numbers matching,, rare,,etc, if theres thousands available and their almost giving them away then sportsterize away one,,otherwise i say restore,, good posts for the most part in my opinion!
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« Reply #16 on: October 19, 2009, 07:28:34 AM »

roadkill46,
If you don't like listening to the same sermon look for another church. There are other mil surplus forums that don't give you the gospel.
To me if it's already been moded you can do what you want with it.
The history will always be part of the weapon.
I read at another forum why you shouldn't refinish the stock if it's not broken. The finish has 50+ years of blood sweat and tears. Not to mention traces of dirt and grime from every country it been marched through.

Is it ok to refinish the rifle to make it better looking if your stripping away all that history? Does it disrespect the men that held it and fought with it?

I'd like to think I'm improving the weapon not destroying it.
I spent years in the service and did minor mods to make my weapons more reliable and accurate.
I'd like to think I have a right to do what I want with my weapons. Feel free to tell me I'm wrong.

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« Reply #17 on: October 20, 2009, 03:20:38 AM »

Anyone that buys a milsurp rifle has their own reasons and motivation for doing it. God knows they are not only reliable, but accurate enough to put meat on the table.

Personally, I believe that everyone has "reasonable right to personal property", meaning they have the right to do whatever the heck they want with what belongs to them. That's just my $0.02, and of course, your beliefs may differ.

As far as I am concerned, if Comrade Mosin wanted his gun to lie in a polymer, monte carlo stock, he'd have built it with one. Mine came with crappy wood stocks and that's how they'll stay, damned the consequences.
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« Reply #18 on: October 26, 2009, 02:38:56 PM »

Well, I'm another heretic.  If I had a rifle that I could actually trace to some person or situation, I'd keep it stock and not make any changes.  But none of my seven Mosins have any distinguishing marks on them other than the serial numbers (where they haven't been scrubbed).  I'm not going to do anyting to my 91/59, M44, or M38, because if I ever have to sell them they'll bring a better price in their original state.  But the other four 91/30s are nothing remarkable.  If I thought one was an above average to excellent shooter, I'd have no problem tapping it for a scope and making it a long range shooter.

I've run into the philosophy of "We don't own these XXX (enter your favorite collectable), we're just safekeeping them for future generations".  For a rifle I'd ask, "Who carried? Where was it used?  How did it and it's owner distinguish themselves?  What makes this rifle different from that one?" Being old doesn't make it precious to me.  One of over 17,000,000 produced doesn't make it anything other than a tool to me.  I know I'm in the minority, but I'm one of those people you have to impress.  Give me SOMEthing to say this rifle is a piece of history other than it's 70 years old.

But, that's just Mark the Heretic talkin'.....
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« Reply #19 on: October 26, 2009, 03:07:19 PM »

It is reasons like the ones listed in the post above this one that almost make me wish these guns weren't for sale.  "what makes this rifle different from that one?"  , well it is the not knowing the entire history that makes each one different.  It was a tool at one time, an implement for defense and destruction, after it's service life was over it became a reminder of the mistakes, courage, and honor of man.  If you ask what makes one rifle from a war different from another, well then you must say the same thing about the veterans who used such weapons, what makes them different.  It is this type of indifference to history that is causing relics of the past to be destroyed and forgotten everyday.  You want something to separate it from the other 17 million, well they aren't making them any more, they were built for battle and they were built far superior to any rifle mass produced today.  A tool is a damn hammer on sale at home depot.  There is a reason that the license from the ATF, that enables me to grab as many as I want, is called a COLLECTORS license, not a tool mans license.  If the age and fact that it has survived the decades to provide our generation with a physical link to our history doesn't impress you then sadly I ask, what will?  Why in the hell does it have to be specifically special, what it is should be special enough for someone not to bastardize the gun.  And as far as your M91/30's not being anything special, they are more special than any carbine length Mosin ever was.  The carbines like the M38 and M44, were not nearly as prevalent in battle as the M91/30 was.  And the M91/59, well no one can accurately decipher where these were done but they are cut down M91/30's that obviously still filled a purpose 68 years after the original Mosin was built.  Mus be something special about a rifle that even now, 118 years after the first one was built, that allows them to still be considered viable battle rifles and kept as secondary rifles in some countries reserve arsenals.

I don't mind anybody voicing their opinions on this subject, this isn't my forum and I wouldn't want to infringe on anyone's freedom of speech, but seriously, take a step back and really think about what it is you are holding and who might have held it before you.
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« Reply #20 on: October 27, 2009, 01:21:54 PM »

Nice articles on what "buba" means.
http://www.telusplanet.net/public/philqgbr/bubba.html
http://www.surplusrifle.com/reviews2005/chameleon/index.asp
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