blowback design flaw

[hipoint 9m]

please watch this video of a hi-point c9 pistol.  i was suprised.  i did not know about this design flaw.  what do you guys think?


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DwxOz5ZhlAA

[Silicon Wolverine]

basher.  nothing more.  just another elitist.  look at some of his other videos.  pimping high dollar stuff and bashing the low end entry level guns.  Just another loser out to make himself feel good by telling other people what to do.

SW

[rostenoc]

Doesn't  bother me I carry mine with safety on anyway. Nice to know I could cock it if I only have one arm.

[madmanjustice]

ok, fess up if you actually tried this.

I tried it (unloaded of course) and could never get the slide far enough back to lock. Maybe he is just stronger than me.

[keby]

Nope I did try it and could get the the slide to lock back and the last time I was hillbilly shooting I did do it and chambered a round. But honestly the force that is needed to do this, I don't really ever see myself being in a forceful enough situation for it to actually happen. It's all kinda BS. And the fact that he talks about it being a jam-o-matic and chambers the round like that and then proceeds to empty the magazine with no problem, I'm going to go ahead and say I think he's full of crap.

[rostenoc]

I tried it unloaded and it locks back every time

[rammurph]

He hates them buttttt wait he is going to get one. What does that tell you. It tells me that he knows he is wrong but his gun snobery won't let him say so.

[ZOMBCO Supply]

So what? Ummmm don't do that and it won't happen. Is it going to chamber a round if you accidentaly drop it? I doubt it. So don't try that, and it won't happen. No big whoop.

TT

[CarGuy7a]

basher.  nothing more.  just another elitist.  look at some of his other videos.  pimping high dollar stuff and bashing the low end entry level guns.  Just another loser out to make himself feel good by telling other people what to do.

SW

Exactly. He's says it's a jam o matic huh? He says it's a toy gun mm ok. But I'm willing to bet he wouldn't stand in front of it and let someone unload and 8 round mag at him, and he wants to call it a toy. Yeah right. This guy is stupid.

What a tard.

[makarovnik]

1. Hi-Point specifically states not to use Wolf ammo. If you want to do a function test to see if the gun is a jammomatic it's not fair to run Wolf ammo.

2. The thing with the slide is actually cool. It is a pretty deliberate act there that he use to make it happen. If that bothers you, don't do that or engage the safety and that can't happen.

[jsmaye]

First of all, it's not a "blowback design flaw" - this would not work with just any blowback pistol, which is implied by the term.  It won't work on .22, .25, .32, 9x18, or (most) .380 calibers , all of which are generally blowback. It takes a pistol with an unusually heavy slide. Unfortunately, that does include Hi-Point.

Second, he says Wolf ammo is junk, and Hi-point recommends not using it. So he uses it, calls the pistol a "jam-o-matic", and then says it's probably the ammo. So why is the pistol a "jam-o-matic"? And guess what? I can make any pistol jam if I do what the manufacturer explicitly says not to do.

Third, how in the world do you "accidentally" chamber a round doing what he did? He suggests that one might fall and do this but who's going to fall in such a way and with such force to accomplish this, and then not check the condition of the pistol? This didn't occur to him, though he does mention his concern for safety.

[anon626]

He's a gun snob plain and simple!

[HiPoint45]

Did he even listen to himself? When we ran wolf it jammed..pmc brass worked no problem, if we mixed wolf in it jammed..he has twice stated the gun only jammed with wolf in it and said it ran perfect with pmc then says "probably the magazine probably the follower" um no ...you just said it ran pmc perfect, so how is it the mag or follower?? It's the wolf! don't shoot wolf! and no it didn't cost as much as getting a more expensive gun to find ammo that worked..it cost what $10?

Then.."the .45 I'm not going to say its as accurate as my kimber .45 cause we weren't out there to do accuracy"....My translation of that is ...yep it was just as good or OUTSHOT my kimber so we aren't showing targets of that.

And I'd like to see any video proof ,besides his trick of throwing the slide( "could happen in a fall"...yeah sure if you hold your gun backwards and throw your arms forward) but I would like to see the proof of "sometimes the mag safety worked sometimes it didn't" or "sometimes the slide lockback on empty mag worked, sometimes it didn't" Let's see that occurring. I for one have never had my slide fail to lock back on last round in my .45. To take a gun and run 2 boxes of ammo through it and admit that one box was totally bad, then to say the gun is "unreliable" is laughable. If you run a couple hundred through and have that happen it's a different story. But to say it works perfect with pmc and then say it's cheap and unreliable is 2+2=5.

Edit to add:

Check his part 2 where he says they been blowing apart all over town and shows pics of WOLF jams ffrom their "test". Still don't see any proof of mag safety or lock back failure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZrbACh8hM8&feature=related

Opinions?

[Lexesbeanz]

He's expecting colt like quality out of a cheaper made gun? the hi-point are made for economical shooting, they're not meant to look pretty, just to shoot.

[CarGuy7a]

Edit to add:

Check his part 2 where he says they been blowing apart all over town and shows pics of WOLF jams ffrom their "test". Still don't see any proof of mag safety or lock back failure.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eZrbACh8hM8&feature=related

Opinions?

One thing I also find funny is there is no video "proof" of what actually happened to the gun that had the muzzle end of the slide broke off. Yeah it may be kind of hard to do getting video proof of this because it could happen at any time and you never know when.

But just by looking at that picture, they could have taken the gun apart and took a ball pene hammer and knocked the muzzle end of the slide out for all we know. Same thing with the rod that runs behind the mag. They could have dis assembled the gun and manually rigged it for the picture just for the sake of bashing HP.

The only reason people do this stuff to HP guns is because they are a cheap gun and it's easy to go drop $160 on it and manually destroy it and say look what this cheap gun did it broke.

All it is is gun snob recruiting propaganda.