[Mike_AZ]

According to this site, http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/ only the C-9 and CF 380 are certified to be sold in CA.

[hipoint.nut]

According to this site, http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/ only the C-9 and CF 380 are certified to be sold in CA.

That’s correct. You can have the 9mm and the .380acp but the Hi-Point .45 and .40 are illegal, they don’t meat the CA safety standards. After January 1st 2010 all auto loading hand guns without micro-stamping will be illegal as well.

[AJMBLAZER]

So in other words ALL semi-auto hand guns.

[NDS]

So in other words ALL semi-auto hand guns.

This is a big legal nightmare. It seems that handguns already on the list can stay there as long as the manufacturer pays the bribe. They can continue to be sold without microstamping. Any new semi automatic handguns that a gunmaker wants to add to the list will have to meet the microstamping requirement. Law Enforcement, of course, is exempt from current restrictions as well as these new requirements because--well, you know...

Some people in CA think there are enough problems with this legislation that it will never be implemented. I do enjoy watching what's going on next door where I'm from though. Sometimes I miss the coast and would like to move back, but I have to visit there often enough to always remind me why I'll never be able to fit into the PRK again.

[hipoint.nut]

Yah it will be fun to watch, I hope I have moved by then.

[AJMBLAZER]

Left in '01 when I got out of the Marines and haven't been back since.

[SEN-5241]

I just moved to Washington from California and I had this same problem when I tried to get my hands on a Walther P-5. now there is nothing bad or scary about the P-5 that should make it illegal... but since the P-5 is not a terribly popular gun here in the US, the time and money involved in getting it on the CA approved import list was not something walther probably wanted to do.

sooooooo here is the extra wierd part of this particular piece of legislation: technically, it is NOT illiegal to own one of these guns (HP .40, .45, P-5) in CA. it is only illegal to IMPORT them to CA. So if one of these guns is already in the state, its ok. This means private party transfers are ok, as long as the gun is not being imported into the state.

The question then becomes: how do they get into the state in the first place without importing them? Putting aside the guns that were already in the state before these laws went into effect, there are 2 main ways these guns can get into CA legally.

1. Someone who owned these "banned import" guns in another state and then moves to CA.

2. Law enforcement personnel can import just about any kind of gun they want to CA (full auto uzi's for example).

Straw purchases (where someone buys a gun FOR you) are very illegal.

It's honestly quite silly. But I hope this makes it a little clearer. The list of all the guns that are avaliable for import are on that CA DOJ website. http://certguns.doj.ca.gov/

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That’s correct. You can have the 9mm and the .380acp but the Hi-Point .45 and .40 are illegal, they don’t meat the CA safety standards. After January 1st 2010 all auto loading hand guns without micro-stamping will be illegal as well.

What is micro-stamping? :?

[AJMBLAZER]

This fantasy story sorta like fairies (the winged type), gnomes, elves, and working socialism where every time a gun is fired an identifying code/serial number is stamped on the case and/or bullet.

From the little I know about micro-stamping it would seem to me all one would have to do is replace the firing pin to get around it.

Also read the other day that micro-stamping even without tampering that I mentioned is highly doubtful it will work.

Someone committing a crime could also go to their local range and gather up a bunch of shell casings and leave them at the crime scene so they'd have a bunch of different gun owners to chase down who weren't involved.

Liberals are such a bunch of idiots.