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Old 01-11-2017, 11:38 PM   #21
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"Does FLASH have documentation?"

I think he writes the BATFE letters for manufacturers, Backy
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Ice Storm hit us here in 2007 no power for 13 days.
You'd be amazed at how many people said that all the food spoiled in their fridge.
I put ours in a cooler & set it outside. Duh!! It's an ICE Storm. Plenty of Ice outside your door!!
The lady across the street didn't have any heat. She asked me what to do?
I said if she had a gas stove she could use that.
I told her to get some matches & light it by hand.
Most people these days don't seem to have any Common Sense!!
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"Does FLASH have documentation?"

I think he writes the BATFE letters for manufacturers, Backy
Then he can cite chapter & verse so the rest of us can look it up.
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It all seems so convoluted. If I go and by a AR listed as a pistol with a 10.5" barrel who decided that it's a pistol and not an SBR? This makes no sense to me. I guess that's the government for ya...
So if it has an adjustable butt stock instead of a brace that makes all the difference?
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Yes, but No. It depends how the manufacturer listed it on the Form 2.
It also depends on how the FFL then lists it on the 4473.
Below are three images of lowers... which one would be identified as a rifle lower, a pistol lower or an "other" by an FFL?
Which one would a manufacturer likely identify as rifle, pistol or "other" on a Form 2?
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IF BATFE instructions are followed correctly, and all 3 shipped from the factory in pictured condition, all 3 are "others".
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Then he can cite chapter & verse so the rest of us can look it up.
Go read the instructions to manufacturers regarding the submission of Form 2 data on a firearm. Then go read the instructions to FFL on the 4473.

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It all seems so convoluted. If I go and by a AR listed as a pistol with a 10.5" barrel who decided that it's a pistol and not an SBR? This makes no sense to me. I guess that's the government for ya...
So if it has an adjustable butt stock instead of a brace that makes all the difference?
Convoluted isn't the word for it. These regs were written back before AR's etc. existed. They were written to cover rifles and shotguns being cut down and carried under overcoats. I agree that they are convoluted and need to be re-addressed taking today's standard available weapons into account. It gets even more convoluted when LOI's (Letter of Interpretations) are written to respond to questions from either manufacturers or others.

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