[Slimshady]

Hitler himself christened the new STg 43/44 rifle a "SturmGewehr", literally translated to "Storm Rifle", storm meaning to assault or "storm" an enemy. Subsequent derivations of a light rifle firing an intermediate cartridge from a large capacity detachable magazine and having a selectable fire mode of semi auto or full auto were thus referred to generically as "assault rifles". Civillian versions in semi auto became popular in the 70s and gun owners often referred to their new toys as "Assault Rifles" even though they lacked the FA feature. The antis seized upon this term because it "sounds scary" and ran with it, creating a new legal term "Assault Weapon" which they sought to ban. In reality, you cannot legally ban them effectively because a simple change to comply with the law renders them "sporting" and thus exempt. It would take the outlawing of ALL semi autos to get the so-called AWs banned effectively which is why every attempt to go down that road with a new AW ban is met with fierce opposition.

Also, AW is a legal term fabricated from whole cloth. That's the beauty of a law, you can define things under that law that make no sense in the "real world". For example, two devices that are defined as a "firearm" under the NFA are poison gas guns and silencers. Neither, by itself, expels a projectile by means of a chemical explosion. Not a firearm by any sense of the word other than some Congressman said so. They were trying to get bulletproof vests under the NFA a while back, if it had succeeded a piece of cloth would now be legally a firearm.

[Stogies]

Originally Posted by aka

wasn't the term (assult weapon) used by the nazi's first?

NeinNeinNein!!! Das war das "Sturmgewehr"!

Yes it was.

[Yeoldetool]

Originally Posted by Stogies

I hate to say this but this looks a bit fishy to me. ONE post and asking such a loaded question? I ask myself could this be a Brady Troll? When I look at the answers we have delivered we sure gave them everything they would hate.

Even so, this subject is broached fairly often in most gun forums. Some even have a specific "Legals" section where peoples feelings are dispelled by facts. It always amazes me how many people believe something to be true because of what they heard or what they feel when there is no fact or law to it whatsoever. Laws are very easy to look up, especially when someone starts citing numbers.

Recently an acquaintance started rattling something about Homeland Security enacting a law to take all our guns (which they can not do). He gave a bill number and the bill had to do with Haitian refugees. Even when I pointed him to the text of the bill, he insisted that he would have to "check that out."

[aka]

Yeoldtool you speak with wisdom . There are many word and terms we as gun owners need to avoid unfortunately.

[qwerks]

As responsible gun enthusiasts we need to be carefull with our terminology. Assult Rifles are by definition military select fire rifles that fire an intermediary round.

Unless you spend a lot of money to purchase a pre-ban weapon capable of switching from semi to full auto fire and pay the ATF it's $200 transfer tax you can't have a "Civilian Assult Rifle".


Refering to our semi automatic rifles as "Assult Rifles" plays into the hands of the liberal media that works to abridge our 2nd amendment rights. Ask those who live in NY or CA what happens when we allow our legal semi auto firearms to be labeled Assult Weapons.

I own and love many of the guns we are talking about in this thread. But not one is or ever was an Assult Rifle. All that said I've enjoyed the discussion.

[wc deer hunter]

Originally Posted by qwerks

As responsible gun enthusiasts we need to be carefull with our terminology. Assult Rifles are by definition military select fire rifles that fire an intermediary round.

Unless you spend a lot of money to purchase a pre-ban weapon capable of switching from semi to full auto fire and pay the ATF it's $200 transfer tax you can't have a "Civilian Assult Rifle".


Refering to our semi automatic rifles as "Assult Rifles" plays into the hands of the liberal media that works to abridge our 2nd amendment rights. Ask those who live in NY or CA what happens when we allow our legal semi auto firearms to be labeled Assult Weapons.

I own and love many of the guns we are talking about in this thread. But not one is or ever was an Assult Rifle. All that said I've enjoyed the discussion.

Exactly right my friend and welcome to the forum.

[gasman42]

My other half said my carbine was a assault rifle, i corrected her and said a tactical weapon.

[lcback]

Originally Posted by Stogies

I hate to say this but this looks a bit fishy to me. ONE post and asking such a loaded question? I ask myself could this be a Brady Troll? When I look at the answers we have delivered we sure gave them everything they would hate.

forgive me for asking this more than likely ovious answer, but WTH is a brady troll?

[Flyboy]

Originally Posted by lcback

forgive me for asking this more than likely ovious answer, but WTH is a brady troll?

An anti-gunner who purposely comes into pro-gun forums and asks a question about guns so that they can go back to their anti-gun buddies and say, "Look at the anarchists, showing off their violent weapons and telling me how to get these violent weapons, this proves we're right!"
Basically, they try to goad us into making ourselves look bad to make them look better.
The term Brady Troll comes from the BradyCenter to Prevent Gun Violence (aka the Brady Campaign, and to a lesser extent, the Brady Bill), a group of anti-gunners who seek to severely restrict gun rights (if not an outright ban).

[lcback]

ohhhh, now i understand. thank you sir.