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Old 03-19-2011, 11:17 PM   #1
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Buffalo Bore states that they use flash suppressed powder in their +P 380 loads. Does anybody know what that powder might be? Thanks-D

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Old 03-20-2011, 12:34 AM   #2
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link? i want some further information before i fly the BS flag.

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Old 03-20-2011, 01:34 AM   #3
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Item 27A/20 is a 100gr. HARD cast bullet with a flat nose. It is traveling over 1,150 fps out of my 3.75 inch BDA (Browning Double Action). We've used a flash suppressed powder for all three of our 380 auto loads so that you wont be blinded by your own gunfire if you have to shoot in the dark and since around 95% of all civilian shootings in America occur in low light, the chances that your own gunfire will blind you while you are trying to save your life, are good - we've eliminated this variable by using flash suppressed powder. We've also chosen a flat nosed solid bullet. The flat on the nose ensures that the bullet will cut/smash its way through flesh and bone and do much more destruction than typical round nose FMJ bullets. Round nosed bullets tend to slip and slide through matter, doing little damage as opposed to a flat nosed bullet. The flat nose not only wounds much more than a round nosed bullet, but it actually keeps the penetration straight and thus deeper. Notice the below velocities recorded from my personal 380 auto pistols. These are real world guns and thus the speeds are realistic and not exaggerated speeds produced from laboratory test barrels. What you see with Buffalo Bore Ammo, is truly what you get in the "real world", where it matters. You can expect 20+ inches of straight-line penetration in flesh and bone with this load. If you are worried about over penetration with this load, DON'T! You chose to carry a tiny under-powered 380 auto pistol and the trade-off is that you are now going to have to stay alive with that pistol and over penetration will be the least of your worries if you end up needing this gun to save yourself or your family.

http://www.buffalobore.com/index.php?l=product_detail&p=127

Not sure what the point is. The little .380s can't take +P, and the larger pistols might as well be 9mm.
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Normally all powders are flashed suppressed. Only one I've ever heard of was what Accurate surplussed out as PSA. The flash suppressant had been left of it so the couldn't sell it as a normal powder. PSA in a .223 or .308 the flame is several feet long on a sunny day.

Also, commercial loading companies very often use powders we never buy or have heard of.

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I'll call BS on the "flash suppressed powder" idea. They could be just using powders that have a red/orange flash to keep from flash bulbing one's eyes during low light shooting and calling it a "suppressed" powder. Red is best and shouldn't hinder your night vision at all, next is orange, then yellow, then white is the true flashbulb situation.

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Normally all powders are flashed suppressed. Only one I've ever heard of was what Accurate surplussed out as PSA. The flash suppressant had been left of it so the couldn't sell it as a normal powder. PSA in a .223 or .308 the flame is several feet long on a sunny day.

Also, commercial loading companies very often use powders we never buy or have heard of.
ive been realoding for almost 20 years and ive NEVER heard it referred to as "flash supressed powder" before today. unless they are talking about teh coating they use to control burn rates. then thats a different animal.

also buffalo bore has been known to make up flashy sounding terminology to market a product.

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They're talking about adding compounds to keep the muzzle flash low, usually potassium nitrate or potassium sulfate. Nitrocellulose doesn't have enough oxy in the mix to completely burn the fuel part, so when the hot gases hit the oxy in the air we have the muzzle flash as they finish burning. The additives either add oxy to the mix to promote complete burning within the bbl, or tolower the burn temp and produce a diffused smoke that helps obscure the flash. IIRC, Federal started using a low flash powder in their 125gr .357 loads back in the 80s as the flash in that load was impressive and many LE agencies were still using it. Since then, the practice has extended to almost all loads marketed for self defense. IIRC, Ed Sanow had an article on the .357 load in Firepower magazine back in the day.

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Here is a link to Winchester's list of MSDS's:
http://www.winchester.com/learning-center/ballistic-silvertip/Pages/Material-Safety-Data-Sheets.aspx

Here is a link to their one on powder:
http://www.winchester.com/SiteCollectionDocuments/pdf/msds/msds_w64.pdf

All of the their powders have potassium nitrate or potassium sulfate in them. The term flashed suppressed has been used in things printed way back into the 1930's. I think that the marketing guys at Buffalo Bore dug it up to impress people that haven't taken the time to study powders.

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