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Well I was stumbling around the internets tonight and i stumbled the website "the truth about guns" and found this

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/aljazeera-com-why-americans-love-their-guns/

Elliot Fineman from National Gun Victim’s Action Council (NGAC)
States "the reasons given for people to carry guns make no sense" and "People lose control they don't remain law abiding citizens"

He says things that make my head hurt just listening to.

WOW

Look at this and tell me what you think

Sorry if I'm wrong and taking this the wrong way but some of the anti-gun arguments make no sense.

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Well I was stumbling around the internets tonight and i stumbled the website "the truth about guns" and found this

http://www.thetruthaboutguns.com/2012/03/robert-farago/aljazeera-com-why-americans-love-their-guns/

Elliot Fineman from National Gun Victim’s Action Council (NGAC)
States "the reasons given for people to carry guns make no sense" and "People lose control they don't remain law abiding citizens"

He says things that make my head hurt just listening to.

WOW

Look at this and tell me what you think

Sorry if I'm wrong and taking this the wrong way but some of the anti-gun arguments make no sense.
There was only one person who really seemed to both know and understand the complexities of guns rights in the United States there. He was the youngest at the table.

The police guy didn't seem to understand the difference between a right and a privilege.

The NGAC just sounded ignorant and completely detached from reality.

Some number of years ago I found a really awesome history thesis on gun rights in state of Texas. I wish like hell I could find it again. The paper was very interesting because not only are many of the laws in Texas unconstitutional at both the state and federal level, but they wonderfully document what has been historically much more feared than guns.

It seems, the weapon everyone (historically in Texas) fears more than guns is the Bowie knife. What's surprising about this is, even though new firearms were now readily available, which included rapid fire pistols, rifles, and multi-barreled rifles, the weapons which really scared people were knives. As such, its hardly surprising that in places where guns are illegal, the weapon of choice is a knife. The murder statistics clearly show that if guns are not available, knives will become the preference. So arguing "guns kill people" is the argument of someone who clearly has no clue about the complexities of the subject matter.

In a age where military weapons were commonly accepted as a right to own, as guaranteed by the US Constitution, it was the knife which truly inspired fear. For every ignorant person who wants guns to disappear, they condemn us to a far worse fate, at the end of a sharp, pointed blade. Needless to say, safety is absolutely not what such ideologies bring to the table.

BTW, if anyone knows which paper I'm talking about above and has a copy, PLEASE contact me so I can get a copy.
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"the reasons given for people to carry guns make no sense" and "People lose control they don't remain law abiding citizens"


Someone doesnt know rights.
Doesnt have common sense.


Even if it wasnt layed as an ammendment, it is STILL a right, as a human being.


Dont worry. These will be the people I won't help when they come knockin on my door, begging for food if the grid fails.

They can eat my. 45 bullet.
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the entire theory of gun control is pretty much wacko.

Gun control is about controlling people. Criminals will always have weapons. They don't care about breaking laws.

It is ridiculous to think you can legislate morals. And basically being a criminal is about ignoring morals.

To stop law abiding citizens from being able to level the playing field with criminals is immoral. There is no valid reason for it.

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A large portion of the US population depends on the government to defend them. The police are expected to be everything from body guard to school teacher. I am glad I have lived in a rural area all my life. I have never had to endure a neighbor who calls the cops because my radio is to loud or my dog is barking. In this area calling the cops on your neighbors is a good way to end sitting by yourself at breakfast. You will not be welcome at any community table.

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It seems, the weapon everyone (historically in Texas) fears more than guns is the Bowie knife. What's surprising about this is, even though new firearms were now readily available, which included rapid fire pistols, rifles, and multi-barreled rifles, the weapons which really scared people were knives.
As a Bowie Knife fighting expert (yes, really), I've spend some time researching this. You have to dig into the historic documents, archives, and news papers to get a handle on it. It's complex and interesting but the short version of it is this (tell me if it sounds familiar to you):

Newspapers printed a bunch of sensational stories about dangerous types killing each other, dueling, and committing various acts of murder and mayhem with "Bowie Knives." As the facts, court records, and other relevant data is examined you find that when the newspapers used the term "Bowie Knife" it could have meant nearly any kind of knife but "for some reason" they always decided to call it a "Bowie." You further find that actual court and criminal records show a decided disparity between the mayhem described in the newspapers and actual criminal activity. Nevertheless, newspapers printed the stories, Joe Public got freaked out about nefarious "Bowie Knives," and Politicians decided they "had to do something."

This story ring any bells? Thought so.

Now, that's not to say that Bowie Knives weren't common or popular nor that duels didn't happen. There was a time when Bowie Knives were the "must have" fashion accessory for the well heeled gentleman and there's a record of a Bowie Knife duel between two Legislators in the Arkansas State House (one died, the other was maimed). But when it came to the actual "problem" of Bowie Knives as compared the the perceived problem... well, to put it in Texas terms: All Hat, No Cattle.

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Not that I doubt what you are saying lklawson, but that's not the account I've read - at least not as discussed in the Texas legislator. The Bowie knife was a specific sized knife having a specific shape. Generally it was a large knife. It seems these knives were large enough to dismember and disembowel and could be used silently. It was regarded as a weapon of misanthropes and not gentlemanly at all. As such, firearms were by far preferred.

Based on what I had read elsewhere I presumed such sentiment was fairly universal across the country. It may well be possible it was unique to Texas. Which if so, I find especially interesting since it played such a key role in the independence of the state from Mexico.

I suppose it possible we may be talking about two different periods of time too.

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That guy on Aljazeera was only living up to his ethnic heritage. People like him are the reason guns are necessary.

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That guy on Aljazeera was only living up to his ethnic heritage. People like him are the reason guns are necessary.
You know, the blatant racism is really painting the rest of us in a bad light.

Personally, I carry guns because there are dangerous criminals in our cities, and I prefer to not be a victim. Maybe you carry guns because you're afraid some soft-spoken news commentator with a foreign sounding name is gonna run over and try and talk you to death, but that's got more to do with your own warped worldview and paranoia than anything else.

How would you feel if the rest of the world stereotyped white people by the actions of Ted Bundy, Fred Phelps, and Adolf Hitler?
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Not that I doubt what you are saying lklawson, but that's not the account I've read - at least not as discussed in the Texas legislator. The Bowie knife was a specific sized knife having a specific shape. Generally it was a large knife. It seems these knives were large enough to dismember and disembowel and could be used silently. It was regarded as a weapon of misanthropes and not gentlemanly at all. As such, firearms were by far preferred.

Based on what I had read elsewhere I presumed such sentiment was fairly universal across the country. It may well be possible it was unique to Texas. Which if so, I find especially interesting since it played such a key role in the independence of the state from Mexico.

I suppose it possible we may be talking about two different periods of time too.
Your friend isn't "wrong" per se, just "late." During the 19th C Bowie Knives were all the rage. At the famous Sandbar Duel, Bowie is reported to have been actually using a Butcher Knife which his brother had given him. The now iconic "Bowie Knife" wasn't designed until much later and, American mythology not withstanding, there's scant evidence that said knife resembled all that closely what we now think of as a "Bowie Knife" (although, truthfully, it far far predates that worthy). Remember, too, Bowie died at the Alamo, decades before the Civil War. Newspaper reports only served to make the "Bowie Knife" even more popular. It, quite literally, became a fashion item and zillions were made, and even imported from Britain. There were Confederate Troops who were issued, famously, the "D-Guard Bowie" and various reports of troops (often Confederate) having customized Bowie's made with the blade inverted so it was held edge up to facilitate a thrust-and-upward-rip. Teddy Roosevelt's Rough Riders were all issued a Bowie Knife.

However, Newspapers need to sell newspapers and, even then, played fast and loose with definitions and descriptions. You've seen the joke picture "How the News Reports Guns" with everything from a Daisy BB rifle to a a 1911 reported as an "AK-47" (see below). It's like that only with knives. Every knife fight, attack, or robbery was performed with a "Bowie Knife." Today we think of a Bowie Knife as having certain properties, most especially the clipped-point/back-edge, the straight edge for the body, a belly, and a slashing tip. But, at least as far as the news was concerned, a knife is a knife is a knife, right?

It wasn't until the mid-20th Century that the news consumer started demanding a higher degree of accuracy in news reports and even then, well, you see what we have. :P

Anyway, as the media of the time blasted out news story after news story about those evil AK-4... err... Bowie Knives, the public started to believe that SOMETHING had to be done. Public opinion had been shaped and that's what your friend from Texas knows about and it's why so many States specifically ban Bowie Knives and/or fixed-blade knives for various methods of carry.





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