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trkkshotbry · 08-08-2012, 04:28 PM

@ Swaga: I agree with your sentiment and I'm actually in the process of finding a place. I want 5 acres and 4 bedrooms outside of the city limits. However on the other hand I'm just about as offended as I can be without resorting to vulgarity.
I am the sole breadwinner in a family of 5. My wife stays home to raise our kids and that is our personal choice. We believe it is far more important to raise our children to be responsible productive members of society with a deep appreciation for God and the blessings that come.from following his laws. So we sacraficed the 35-40k /yr she could add to our bottom line so that she could raise our young in a manner consistent with Gods teachings and that is not something your going to get at ANY public school or daycare program. The other option is of course private school which cost $1000mo per kid so her entire salary would go to the private school.
secondly: Why should I have to move my entire family and all our possessions just to avoid a segment of our society that was created, fostered, and enabled by the failed social programs of our own government? With no standards and no expectations I'm really not surprised that we have millions of people who just don't know how to act. They have no self respect and consequently no respect for anyone else either.

SWAGA · 08-08-2012, 04:41 PM

Apart from the religious angle , which I can respect but don't agree with , you are absolutely right.
Why would YOU have to move.
But sometimes you have to accept the situation.
If your neighborhood is going down the tubes and turning into gang territory, I'd leave.
Gun or no gun.

trkkshotbry · 08-08-2012, 04:43 PM

Furthermore as a true liberal I expect you to applaud MY lifestyle choice and agree that my wife should not have to endure the indignity of their catcalls and outrageous gestures right there in front of my kids. Nor should I have to explain to my kids what those men were saying. My wife does not dress provacatively but she is tall thin blonde who has a great figure even after our three kids and partly because of them ;-) . Also I expect you to concede that I should be able to walk or bicycle with my family without having to worry about some drug addled or drunk product of our social programs making unwanted and undignified remarks to my wife or daughters making them feel uncomfortable. Since then we have changed our routes and avoid their area but sometimes they come out of their complex and not all contact is avoidable. So ill keep looking for a better home for my family that I can afford on my salary alone and you'll just have to understand if I trade my colt for an axe handle and teach one or two of these guys a lesson some day.

trkkshotbry · 08-08-2012, 04:45 PM

Thanks. My phone is my only internet access and you posted a reply before I.could finish.

**ajole** · 08-09-2012, 10:04 PM

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Originally Posted by trkkshotbry

So ill keep looking for a better home for my family that I can afford on my salary alone and you'll just have to understand if I trade my colt for an axe handle and teach one or two of these guys a lesson some day.

I'd understand.

I feel for you, if I were in your AO, I'd carry condition 1 as well.

But the idea (not that you are the one I am ranting at) that condition 1 is the ONLY appropriate way to carry is simply silly. It's like saying only a dually 4X4 with a 35" lift is the right vehicle to drive. Everything is relative.

Just FYI, I teach, and in my small rural school, we are still pretty conservative. So I really can't sympathize with many who feel that they can't overcome the liberal leanings of many of the schools...we have them for 6-8 hours a day, while parents get them for the other 16-18, plus weekends and summers. Of course, that assumes Mom or Dad is actually home at the same time as the kids, so in my mind, that is the real issue, not the schools, but the lack of parental involvement, which you have addressed in a big way. In the end, I'm on your side, you guys did what you felt you needed to do for your family; that's a WIN every time in my book.

And another tidbit, my town is home to a program called Second Nature...they bring out-of-control rich kids with attitude issues out here and take them to the mountains for a few months to learn how to act, many of them are families where the kids barely see the parents. Pretty good program from what I see and hear, but really expensive...so in the end, they lose a good chunk that extra income anyway.

trkkshotbry · 08-11-2012, 06:43 PM

Thanks Ajole:
On the education score, the school district in which we live is worse than poor. My kids regularly bring home assignments with stars or check marks that were clearly not graded. Incorrect answers abound but they got credit for the busy work anyway. Ill spare you the details of the **** storm I brewed up in the principals office but to no avail because it happened again the very next day. I understand that a teacher cannot GIVE a child an education. The kids must take it for themselves but I do expect them to NOT reward poor performance and it offends me deeply that the teacher isn't disciplined. If you or I performed our duties so abysmally we would be fired on the spot. So since I can't affordable private school my kids are forced to endure the public school but you can bet that when they get home the education begins. I recognize that my children are my most important obligation and I owe it to them and society in general to give them a quality education. (School rang over)
Parental involvement is the single most influential determiner of future success and my kids will be pushed, cajoled, pleaded with and pressured into becoming independent critical thinking contributors to our society.
My list of grievances with parents that don't parent is huge but ill spare you that also since I suspect that most people reading this hold similar views.
I love the idea of the camp for kids to teach them some respect for themselves and others.
So basically no disrespect intended for teachers that actually do their jobs but its been my experience that most of them don't and they have unions and tenure to insulate them from responsibility for their performance and they always scream for more money and more respect when they only work 180-200 days a year and don't do their job when they are at work. Its parents fault though because we have so many parents who.refuse to.discipline their kids and wont allow the teacher to maintain even decorum in their classroom much less enforce discipline. Sorry about the long post but this is one of my pet peeves.

bigdaddyd · 08-14-2012, 07:38 PM

I'm a "one in the chamber" guy. I've got a wife and 5 kids to protect, and if comes SHTF time, I want it to be like my computer...point and click. As the man said, easier to gun proof a kid than kid proof a gun. IMHO

Gunsnob420 · 08-14-2012, 08:12 PM

I carry with one in the chamber but then again it is not a HP brick. Even then I was taught a gun is a mid to long range weapon and if someone manages to get that close I will not even attempt to draw but instead choose to go with hand to hand in witch I have been training in for over 20 years.