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Old 02-12-2008, 05:54 AM   #1
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Default Muzzleloader for long term survival?

Has anyone here put back a muzzleloading rifle, with necessary supplies, as part of your long term survival planning?

Some years back I came across an article about long term survival planning. Several items mentioned in the firearms section was a quality air rifle with lots of pellets and a muzzleloader with plenty of supplies and molds for casting yer own bullets. The recommended gun was a flintlock instead of cap lock or inline because just like ammunition the percussions caps and primers may one day cease to be available for purchase.

At present time I do not have a flint lock, but I do have a few sidelock Hawken style rifles that use #11 percussion caps. One is a .32cal small game rifle and the other two are .45 and .50cal rifles that are good for larger game. My next ML rifle will be a flinter and in either .36 or .40cal, these will make good small game calibers when using round ball and light charges or close in deer guns when using conicals and heavier charges.

Flints can be found in nature through the entire US, so keeping something to light the powder in the frizzen pan wont be a problem. As far as powder, well stock as much as you can and do some internet searches on old time powder making recipe's..... PLEASE, DO NOT POST THAT INFO ON THIS FORUM....

Ok... now how many folks have or plan to have a muzzleloader included in their long term survival plans?

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Old 02-12-2008, 06:38 AM   #2
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Not really.... Well I do have an old singe shot cap and ball 45 cal. I have a bunch of powder/caps and a few 100 mini balls for it. (450gr) It would sure hit someone or something hard if they ever got shot by it...

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Old 02-12-2008, 05:28 PM   #3
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They are great for streching your fixed ammo supply. Great for foraging.

They are also easy to build with less than perfect tooling.

There is a company called Corbin Machine Tool that makes a device called a Tap-o-Cap so you can make your own #11 caps.

You can also chuck a percussion nipple in an electric drill and spin it down with a file until those plactic ring caps will fit.

You can also flattern wheel weights and chop them into square shot.

There are a lot of alternate powder choices for BP guns too. The traditional sulphur/charcoal/salt peter mix is not actually a necessity.

Improvised gun, improvised powder, improvised shot.

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yep gonna need the old smoke poles fer foraging and hunting .
as long as b.p is kept dry and cool it will last a long time there was an article
in muzzle blasts magazine a few years back about powder from the 20's and 30's that was still as good as new .cartridge guns is fer fighting in the p . a. w

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Woah now... I did not know we were talking about killing random people for stuff... Remind me not to go where you are.

Would homemade black powder really work to fire a gun? I would be worried about making a pipe bomb and then raising it up to my face...
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Improvised gun, improvised powder, improvised shot: ::EDITED::
Woah now... I did not know we were talking about killing random people for stuff... Remind me not to go where you are.

Would homemade black powder really work to fire a gun? I would be worried about making a pipe bomb and then raising it up to my face...
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He talks like that all the time on the urban warrior forum.
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yea i got a muzzle loader and supplys for it just in case, along with my lother guns. hey you never know what will be needed to get you by.

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Default Muzzleloader for long term survival?

I really enjoy shooting muzzleloaders as a hobby, also use them for hunting too. I got to thinking that the ML would make a decent hunting setup for long term survival needs because it would allow you to hunt with a firearm and preserve you precious cartridge ammo, and firearms, for other task.

Another reason for keeping a muzzleloader around is you never know what the political system will do with modern firearms in the future. At least with a muzzleloader you still have a way to harvest/forage for wild game if the need arises.

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Old 02-12-2008, 09:17 PM   #9
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I have 2 .50 Cal muzzleloaders and I would also like to get into some muzzleloading shotguns as well. I have a friend in Alamogordo that does mountain man reinactments and he uses several ML shotties. His turkey gun is a side by side double barrel 10 guage. That gun is a hoss! Another thing about ML's is that they are usually heavy as hell, which reduces recoil, but is not as good for carrying it around. All in all, ML weapons do have a place in SHTF situations. The only downside about a ML is the fact that the big plume of smoke will give away your position during the day if you are using it as a SD/HD weapon. They don't call them smoke poles for no reason.

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Old 02-12-2008, 10:12 PM   #10
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There's another option that would work just as effectively as a muzzleloader in a survival situation, be more ammo conservative, and quieter too:





Best part is you could get all 3 for the price of a good muzzle loader.

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