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4095fanatic · 01-06-2008, 11:58 PM

Posted this on our sister site, but as I'm not sure if everyone's over there yet, figured I'd post it here as well.

Came home from work, front window is smashed, frame looks like it was forced, but thankfully whoever it was must have been scared off before they got in successfully; nothing was taken. Needless to say, I'm thankful for both my sake and the robber's that I wasn't home when it happened, but if it should happen again I realized I should probably get a dedicated home defense piece. Right now my G27 is my go-to bump gun, but I was thinking of getting a G22 with night sights, putting a light/laser on the rail, and keeping that as a dedicated house gun. Thoughts?

robertgreen_86 · 01-07-2008, 12:33 AM

go with a shotty if you can much easier to hit your target.

PrimalSeal · 01-07-2008, 01:22 AM

Do you keep lights on at night in various parts of your apartment/house? I always have a light on in the kitchen so it lights up the living/dining rooms and one is on in the hallway as well. This way, if I do hear something, I always have enough light to aquire my target regardless of what weapon I am using.... Just a thought.

rimfirehunter · 01-07-2008, 02:07 AM

I prefer a handgun for inside the home defense because its more compact and easier to maneuver with in the event I have to move. A shotgun with 18.5-20" barrel works very well provided you take a barricade stance in home defense. Trying to move around inside the home with a long gun and without backup is a bad move unless you are well trained in CQC.

If I were to come home and find a similar situation my first option would be to make sure my family was out of harms way, call 911 and wait outside. Sounds wimpish but its very sound doctrine when you are operating alone and the bg has the advantage of being concealed somewhere inside your dark home.

Kelotravolski · 01-07-2008, 02:10 AM

A shot gun is also less likely to penetrate walls if you are using bird shot.

We leave one of the kitchen lights on but other than that it is dark. We have a street lamp right outside our house so we do get light in the windows from that but it is pretty dim.

NDS · 01-07-2008, 02:14 AM

I've always been very much a handgun person (.45 1911 since I was a teen and first lived alone). I'll only go to a rifle if the target is at a fair or longer distance. I do have a short pump 12 gauge but it is seldom loaded.

To be honest, since buying the 995, (and given the fact that shotgun loads do not spread at close range) I keep it loaded and in the open safe to use if I feel my handgun is inadequate. And, before you remind and admonish me, there are no children here.

NDS · 01-07-2008, 02:18 AM

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A shot gun is also less likely to penetrate walls if you are using bird shot.

I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard this. Birdshot is likely to wound and not stop (killing is immaterial--I just want them to stop).

If I'm going to shoot someone, I want a lethal outcome to be acceptable. Otherwise, I'll not draw. From what I've read, birdshot may leave a 'chemically enhanced' individual able to continue the course I felt needed to end.

And yes--I said 'read' I've never had to shoot anyone, and I hope that remains the case. :wink:

Kelotravolski · 01-07-2008, 02:23 AM

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I wish I had a dollar for every time I've heard this. Birdshot is likely to wound and not stop (killing is immaterial--I just want them to stop).

If I'm going to shoot someone, I want a lethal outcome to be acceptable. Otherwise, I'll not draw. From what I've read, birdshot may leave a 'chemically enhanced' individual able to continue the course I felt needed to end.

And yes--I said 'read' I've never had to shoot anyone, and I hope that remains the case. :wink:

Really it won't stop them? Are you sure? I mean all that metal and all that force... I blew a 2x4 in two with bird shot (2nd hit) and that was with 2 3/4". I bet if you ask brjedi he could put up pics of the 2x4. I think he has it in his trunk. Are you absolutely sure that bird shot will not stop someone?

NDS · 01-07-2008, 03:04 AM

I did some reading on it a while ago. I think it was the 'boxotruth' guys that did some shooting with it.

I also read up on wounding from it. I was really surprised to find police reporting on BGs with large shallow wounds still functioning when the police arrive. I can't imagine a person continuing to attack after soaking up a load of birdshot (I don't believe I could) but the reports say sometimes they can. I'm afraid to take the chance.

If you get different info, please relay it.

waltham41 · 01-07-2008, 04:05 AM

Surprisingly, I have shot thin "barn" metal with 2 3/4 #4 medium brass loads and none of it penetrated the metal at 25 yds. It dimpled it really good, but not one pellet penetrated.

If I am going to get into a HD gunfight, I am going to go with slugs and #00 buck and shoot to win, not use smaller pellets and pray that my fire has the effect I hope it will.

OF COURSE I WILL BE SHOOTING TO STOP THE THREAT, NOT TO KILL. IF you say your intent was to kill a jury may go against you.