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Old 03-13-2008, 05:18 AM   #51
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The 7.62x54 is an excellent cartridge. In comparing to the 30-06 cartridge, the 7.62x54 looks like a rimmed short-mag version of the 30-06. The 7.62x54 can take a bear provided you use reasonable range and bullet selection. Wolf ammo has a 7.62x54 load using a 200 grain soft point bullet. While this bullet weight would be excellent for bear, I'm not familiar with the quality of their bullets for hunting purposes. There's many premium brands of bullets available from companies like Nosler, Hornady, Swift, etc. which will make a very effective bear cartridge from a 7.62x54, just like the 30-06. I have an article I'd be more than happy to scan and share with folks that showed that the 30-06 loaded with 220 grain round nose bullets out-penetrated thte 375 H&H magnum with the author's testing. Since the ballistics of the 7.62x54 are almost identical to the 30-06, that should be all the information you'd need to draw your own conclusion.

Also, when bear hunting, shot placement is key. You can hit one with a 50 BMG, but if it's not in the right place, you're not going to kill it. Most people who have hunted bear say that you either have to hit them in the head or through the shoulder But even the head shot's tricky because of the dense bone mass and isn't recommended. It's said that you have to shoot through the shoulders to break them so he can't run after you as easily before he dies.

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Old 03-13-2008, 06:37 AM   #52
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Its incredible the punishment that some animals can take.

I knew a SSG in the army that was on M113 personnel carriers in Vietnam, and said he saw a enraged Vietnamese water buffalo take multiple hits from a .50 cal machine gun before going down.

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Old 03-13-2008, 07:13 AM   #53
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I have a 12 gauge but I wanted a rifle for longer range. My shotgun barrel is 20 inches.
As far as defense from a bear, my shotty has a 19 inch barrel and I can hit pretty well in the same spot over and over at 100 yds.

If you see a bear any further than that, hopefully it will ignore you while you haul butt in a different direction.

If in a worse case scenario you come up on a momma bear with cubs at 20 yds, you only have a few shots to defend yourself before you make the national and local papers, and that is when I would want the heaviest lead possible hitting the target, thus the shotty with hollow point slugs.

That close with a rifle and I think the only chance you have is to get a good shot in to scamble their brain otherwise you are in for it

So in other words I should be fine with a shotty? I have my Armscor ''Riot 12'' and my CBC Brazil single shot 12. The CBC has a 28 inch barrel.
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If you use a slug, and can hit the bear enough times to either drop it or make it want to go someone else, you should be fine.

Personally I would have more faith with a multiple shot 12 gauge shotty with slugs at closer ranges than I would a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Just my opinion of course, take it for what its worth

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If you use a slug, and can hit the bear enough times to either drop it or make it want to go someone else, you should be fine.

Personally I would have more faith with a multiple shot 12 gauge shotty with slugs at closer ranges than I would a 5 shot bolt action rifle.

Just my opinion of course, take it for what its worth
I would rather have the S&W 500 with 5 rounds, but a 12 is ok toowith a mag extension and 3 inch magnum slugs.
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Think I'm going with the new .825 G&S Express Mag. :wink:

http://www.chuckhawks.com/825_magnum.htm

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I am honestly more of a long gun person, that is why my choice is the shotty over a hand cannon

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LMAO, That's a helluva round right there!
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