Not yet anyway, but I am thinking about it. The PT111G2.
I have a bit of experience with this one. I like almost everything about it. Except the trigger, I don't like the trigger. I love the ergonomics. I don't know of many that feel better in the hand as this one. And I like the looks. Plus it would go well with the other two Tauri I recently purchased. The protector Polymer and the Public Defender Polymer. Firearms do make a fashion statement don't they?
Also notice all these are from Davidson's. The Davidson's Guarantee assures me that if I have any issues, they will handle them. I will not have to deal with Taurus customer service.
I don't know if I am going to pull the trigger on this one. Maybe. The price is right, it's a good looking pistol. Ergonomics are great. I just don't like the trigger.
The revolvers? I got exactly what I expected. The 38 is accurate. It has a good single action trigger. The double action trigger....?....not so much. The 45/410 is the same. No 45 Colts through it yet, but 2.5" 7 1/2 shot at 5 yards is snake medicine par excellence.
Personally, I don't consider the trigger pull long. I consider it take up. Bad.
The trigger breaks at the very rear of the trigger guard. The length from break to palm is close. Bad.
The reason many shoot the 709 and 111(they have the same trigger) low left ( right handed shooters) is because of the minimal length between break and palm. The 111 has a thicker grip and helps somewhat. Still bad, but a little better.
The PT111G2 has a very short reset. Good
The PT111G2 has second strike capability. I'm neutral on this. Good that you get a second chance if the gun misfires, and the chance is good that the cartridge will fire on the second strike, but what if it dosen't? A third try? By this time you could of cleared the errant round and be back in the fight.....if you are still alive.
I think most everyone here knows I think the LCR and the C series Kahr are the best out there for social work. I was actually going to order the CW9 when I happened to see the PT111 was on sale. The Taurus is over $100 cheaper!
I know, what value do you put on your life? But I spent all my money on those dang stainless steel Rugers that will never see more than the range or the hunting foelds and woods. My squirrel budget is seriously compromised!
I don't think you will be disappointed. I will say if you can swing it, the Ruger LCRX is the better of the two. The Taurus does have some redeeming qualities though. Some thoughts and comparsons.
1, the sights on the Taurus are better. Love the fiber optics. It's an additional $30 - $40 to add them to the Ruger.
2, The handle on the Taurus gives you a full 3 finger hold. Another $30 - $40 fix on the Ruger. The grips on the Ruger are good ones though. I just don't like my pink finger haveing nowhere to go.
3, the single action on the Taurus is very heavy. Heavier than my trigger scale will weigh. My guess is about 12 pounds. The single action is quite good though.
4. Both of the Revolvers are equally accurate in single action. The heavy trigger of the Taurus hinders accuracy in double action though. Still at social ranges, either will work.
5. The Taurus is noticibly heavier. Still, they are both lightweight revolvers.
6. Neither revolver has an ejector rod long enough to clear the empties. Still, turn the nose up and a quick slap of the ejector rod will clear them.
6. Cost. The Taurus cost me less than $190, the Ruger just over $400. I procrastinated and did not get my Taurus $40 rebate. Or the Taurus would have cost me less than $150!
On a scale from 1 to 5, I will rate them both a 4. The Ruger loses points due to sights and grip length. But make up points on the trigger. The Taurus gains points due to value on the dollar. I still like the Ruger better though!
I am wearing my PT111 G2 SS right now. Fed HST 124 gr. EDC. About 600 rds through it, no issues at all. I carry it every day all day in a Sticky holster. Love the 13 rd capacity, light weight, very concealable. I wear a Sticky holster cause belt clips for holsters are not allowed at work. Great Gun, I own the PT140 as well, hand cannon!
I definitely expect the PT111G2 to be a very reliable handgun. I once had a PT709. It had thousands of rounds through it and the only malfunctions were self induced. Limp wristing when I was trying to find a way to overcome the trigger and low left situation and negligence when I let gunk build up behind the extractor.
I don't care much for the Sticky holster. Nothing wrong with them, they are just not for me. When I need to be super discreet I use the Sneaky Pete, or the clips that go behind the belt.
I've got a PT111G2 also and have been happy with it. It eats everything I feed it. I think the long trigger is making me shoot low but I'm still working on it.
I had a Taurus .357, 7 rounds, 4" barrel. Great handgun, very accurate and no problems from day one. I gifted it to a BL because the recoil and weight of the pistol was just a tad too much for these old hands and arms. I often think about getting back, which is OK with my BL, but I don't do a lot of shooting with the two hand guns I have now. It's hell to grow old, but better than the alternative.
I have one. I wish I hadn't shot all the bear loads through it. But I did stop before it loosened up anymore. I agree it's a good gun, 8" plates all day long at 50 yards, and the price was fair. I would never turn a nose up at Taurus revolvers until I've inspected one. The odds of getting a good one are to great, and the price is better.
I don't think of triggers as "long", I think of them as 2 stage, and they don't bother me at all. Especially in a defensive pistol, where I'm just yanking that thing fast and hard, not worried about fine control. My hands are small, fingers are short, so I LIKE the Taurus trigger break being way back, I don't shoot them low. It also limits over travel, so that's a plus.
I can only think of a few misfired bullets that didn't fire the second time I put them in a chamber, and they are all .22's. Every centerfire I have ever ejected and fed back into a gun has fired on the second try, so I LIKE the SA/DA triggers with the second strike.
I think it's what you got used to early. I was used to SA automatics and DA revolvers. Either a nice break with little to no take up, or a long pull with some resistance to it. I dont try and stage a DA trigger either, just pull straight through. That's the reason that I look at the PT111 trigger as a bunch of take up or slack. It's also the reason I like hammers on my revolvers. I like to cock them!
FWIW, the PT809 had a bit of take up in its trigger as well. But I could fit the large backstrap on it. I did ok with it. I do have large hands as well.
I absolutely love the trigger on the Ruger American and the LCPII. Neither are as good as the 1911 trigger, but they are not far behind either.
I still have not ruled out the PT111G2. But I don't think I buy it. Just don't think I will be happy with it in the end. Still, it's a good price!
I've picked them up, but they point worse than a Glock in my hands, I have to intentionally bend my wrists to get the sights anywhere close to the target, so I haven't bothered squeezing the trigger.
The PT111G2 is the same size of the S&W Shield. Except it is a 12+1 over a 7 or 5+1. It is thin, great grip texture. It isn't a target pistol. It eats everything I feed it so far. If you want a self defense gun to save your bacon it is a good choice. Do you need to test drive mine?
I've had a few striker fired pistols but always preferred hammer fired pistols. But then I bought a G2. So far, it is the only striker fired pistol I really like well enough to be an IWB EDC. Perhaps even more than my Colt M1991 A1 Compact .45 cal. in it's shoulder rig.
I have a PT111 G2 and like the feel of it in my hand it is just right for cc , But not happy with the trigger lock which has a hole on the striker rod and makes the trigger pull notchey there is a simple fix though, other than that i give it a thumbs up
How is those Taurus 24/7's? I see a bunch in the blemished ads for kygunco right now.
I will say the finish on my black 709slim, and my G2 is wearing. I don't really give a rip. I'll try "painting" them with Motorkote. See if that helps.
The 24/7 has been discontinued. The only full size ones left are the 92 and 1911. That's the main reason I sold my PT809. Parts are hard enough to get from Taurus anyways, if you need them and it's no longer manufactured, I imagine it will be nearly impossible.
I have a PT 24/7 OSS .45 that is among my favorite striker fired pistol I've ever shot, super sweet trigger for a D/A striker fired. The first shot pull is short, quick and crisp and the reset take up is short and clean giving follow up shots the same nice short pull and crisp break. The gun is also extremely accurate with it's 5.25" barrell and Heinie adjustable sites and as reliable as any semi-auto I've owned. They were originally designed for U.S. Special Ops Command (OSS models) but the contract fell through and sadly they were discontinued.
I had the standard first generation 24/7 in 45 acp. I shot it until it needed refurbishing. Unfortunately about the time it started jamming the class action happened. I also had the DAO Millennium PT145, which was my favorite ever, and the Millennium PT145 Pro. All three of them were class action pistols. Which in all honesty was the beginning of my dislike for Taurus. I lost three of my favorite handguns.
I also had the PT809 and PT809c. They were not class action guns and I never had any trouble out of them. I probably should of kept them. I was able to get magazines for the duty size 809 easily, the compact size magazines or the spacers to make the duty size magazines fit were unobtainable. I figured should I need parts and the handgun was discontinued getting any parts would be futile.
In all honesty I like the Ruger American Pistols better, but just barely. I love the Ruger single action trigger. That's about it though. I liked the hammer on the 809.
The Heinies were OEM on several Taurus handguns, but I don't like them much. The guys that do like them say they have to get used to them, and I see no reason to spend time getting used to another way to point a gun, when the old way works just fine for me. The good news...at typical SD ranges, the sights aren't really part of the equation anyway.
@Moonzie I'm with ya those Canik's are great shooters and also have a great trigger for a striker fired. They are also a hell of a value and come with a nice pkg.
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