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Copy paste:

The school resource officer at Marjory Stoneman Douglas did not enter the school during the shootings that left 17 people dead last week, said Broward Sheriff Scott Israel.

"Never went in," said Israel about the actions of Deputy Scott Peterson. The sheriff said Peterson remained outside for at least four minutes during the six minutes Nikolas Cruz opened fire inside the school.

Despite being armed, video showed Peterson taking up a position outside the west side of the freshman building where the shootings occurred and remained there during the incident.

Israel announced Thursday that Peterson resigned after being suspended without pay following an investigation.
https://www.local10.com/news/stonem...officer-did-not-enter-school-during-shootings
 
#132 ·
Newt Gingrich solution. Sounds like common sense to me. End gun free zones and arm selected teachers.
http://www.foxnews.com/opinion/2018...actical-proposal-to-protect-our-children.html
Here's my solution, and I'm sure I'll get flamed...

Make the kids of this reckless generation accountable for their actions.

The problem is with public schools being stripped of disciplining children, any many parents fearing that if they discipline their children they will be committing a crime so many kids don't get disciplined at home either.

Also no minor should posses a firearm.

If a kids caught bullying, being unruly, or possessing a firearm, give him/her a taste of a detention home for a bit and when released if the situation occurs again, send the child back to the detention home, much like adults being sent to jail for committing a crime.
 
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Here's my solution, and I'm sure I'll get flamed...

Make the kids of this reckless generation accountable for their actions.

The problem is with public schools being stripped of disciplining children, any many parents fearing that if they discipline their children they will be committing a crime so many kids don't get disciplined at home either.

Also no minor should posses a firearm.

If a kids caught bullying, being unruly, or possessing a firearm, give him/her a taste of a detention home for a bit and when released if the situation occurs again, send the child back to the detention home, much like adults being sent to jail for committing a crime.
He was 19.
 
#142 ·
So the deputy went and hid out and didn't engage the bad guy. He "retired." He is going to be charged with something.
 
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He froze. Plain and simple. Fight, flight, or freeze. He froze. It doesn't make him a bad cop or any less of a man. I've seen it before. Guys who have waded through the shit and just, stop. I've also seen guys who would normally ostrich get that 'not today mother...' look in their eyes and do some extraordinary shit. Past experience does not always dictate future action. I can't blame the guy. I wasn't there so I don't know what he was going through at the time, but I've been in similar situation and I'm pretty sure his brain was dropping a lot of F-bombs. He was just unable or incapable of moving past the hesitation stage.
 
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One of the big training issues is overcoming the "this can't be happening, it's not real" denial phase. Nearly every self defense training is at least talking about it now, and ways to address it is becoming standard in "advanced" firearms for self defense classes, particularly those which focus on "mindset."

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
 
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There is a study out there I read years ago about the combat effectiveness of the average soldier. It's was something 70% or higher of soldiers actually not firing or aiming while shooting. Because they didn't want to kill anyone or where to scared to do it. You actually see it more times than not. It's not normal to run towards danger.
 
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Yes, that was Marshal's research and an important factor in Grossman's research, focused heavily on WWII and Korean conflict (ims), and is a major reason why the face-shooters in the military decided to embrace his methods.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killology

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
 
#159 ·
But should the guy be fired? Hell ya. His life is over as he knows it. He has to live with his inaction. The community has to also. I would be surprised if he doesn't commit suicide with in a few months. Can you imagine having to live with that? Day in and day out it's going to be broadcast in his face.
 
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And now we know 3-4 more Broward deputies came to the scene and didn't go in. Some city cops from another municipality came behind them and went in. Left the deputies outside.

Think sheriff Israel is going to have a job much longer?
 
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And now we know 3-4 more Broward deputies came to the scene and didn't go in. Some city cops from another municipality came behind them and went in. Left the deputies outside.
They must've been waitin' for Sheriff Israel to show up and give 'em their bullet.



Seriously, WTF is that all about?
 
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I had a third cousin who trained in the US Army during Viet Nam that told me when I asked him how he was able to shoot at the enemy " We trained a number of different ways to fight - long range rifle , short range rifle, learned to throw grenades, operate mortars and machine guns, and hand-to-hand with bayonets and our fists.
"Then the Army placed us in the field one hundred yards from a fellow who was very motivated to kill us and left it up to us..."

I thought it was pretty profound.

eldar
 
#166 ·
"Then the Army placed us in the field one hundred yards from a fellow who was very motivated to kill us and left it up to us..." I thought it was pretty profound.
That's how I learned to swim. Out in the middle of the lake and the canoe got tipped over. I was inspired to stay alive.
 
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BREAKING: CNN Reports FOUR Broward County Deputies Waited Outside School As Children Were Massacred

Michele Eve Sandberg/Corbis via Getty Images

ByBen Shapiro
@benshapiro
February 23, 2018

On Friday, CNN issued a shock report finding that earlier reports regarding Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson - the armed school safety officer who apparently cowered outside the Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School while a mass shooter slaughtered 17 people inside - were accurate, but that Peterson wasn't the only officer waiting outside. According to CNN:

When Coral Springs police officers arrived at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on February 14 in the midst of the school shooting crisis, many officers were surprised to find not only that Broward County Sheriff's Deputy Scot Peterson, the armed school resource officer, had not entered the building, but that three other Broward County Sheriff's deputies were also outside the school and had not entered, Coral Springs sources tell CNN. The deputies had their pistols drawn and were behind their vehicles, the sources said, and not one of them had gone into the school.

So there were four armed officers outside the school. And none of them did anything, according to CNN. They instead waited for Coral Springs police to lead the charge inside.

What's more, Coral Springs City Manager Mike Goodrum apparently chewed out Broward County Sheriff Scott Israel over that malfeasance on February 15 - more than a week ago. Which means that Israel knew full well that his own office had botched everything dramatically when he stood on stage with CNN's Jake Tapper and a crowd of angry parents and community members and blamed the National Rifle Association and Dana Loesch for his own horrible failure.

Goodrum told CNN:

Given the horrific events of that day emotions were running high and the sheriff and I had a heated moment the following evening. Sheriff Israel and I have spoken several times since and I can assure you that our departments have a good working relationship and the utmost respect for each other.

This is repulsive. Israel should resign from office immediately. And CNN should be ashamed of itself for having allowed this self-aggrandizing political grandstander to shift blame onto people who had nothing to do with the shootings.

I can't pick out the accent for sure:NY, NJ, other NE Libtard? He is a Clintoneesta buddy.
 
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Long week. Didn't see much from other teachers here - we hat three copycat threats - Tuesday, Thursday and today. Arrests - yeah, plural, happened quickly. Harrisburg, York and several others shut down or locked down - York for 3 days. Looks like our cops are doing what they can, at least with the punks. I'm getting too old for this.
 
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Been threats all across the country, MN had one up near MPLS, 2 kids said on social media they were going to shoot up the school. Heard of several more today on the news.
 
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CNN, MSNBC etc is trying to gen up a revolution by any means possible. Just another facet of "never let a crisis go to waste." They are exploiting and using these stupid, emotional, ignorant kids.
 
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I had someone on twitter tell me wait for a cop you don't need guns. I told them when he gets here 30 minutes later he can just bring in the body bag because I would be dead. Liberals seem to think we all have a police station around the corner... and even then, 3 minutes is to longs, they can still bring in the body bag and start cataloging the crime scene. I got reported for the body bag comment, the snowflake said I threatened him...
 
#181 ·
This parent hands Chris Wallace his ass. CW wants to talk gun control. This guy wants the schools secured. In my AO it's known as a STFU Chris.

 
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This father of the girl Meadow got it wrong about 9/11, when he said we "fixed it" by making guns harder to get on planes. Did he just FORGET it was little tiny razor blades that did in the planes?
On the other hand, he did get it right that the kids getting hurt in schools is NOT about gun control. So I think he's got a point in that respect.
My wife says(and she's no gun freak like some of us) that it's more a matter of how people are raising their kids. The lack of "kid control" is more important than gun control. Lack of training in empathy, right and wrong, and humanity seem to be missing in so many of these examples of school violence perpetrators. And pressure cookers. And trucks. And machetes.
End of rant.
 
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The 19-year-old suspect in the Florida school shooting that killed 17 people didn't know how to use a microwave, didn't pick up after himself and didn't know how to do his own laundry.

Kimberly and James Snead took him in following his mother's death, and spoke to the Sun Sentinel.

The paper published a story Sunday about the family, who said that what Nikolas Cruz did baffles them.

"We had this monster living under our roof and we didn't know," Kimberly Snead told the newspaper.

The Sneads' son had asked if Cruz could move in with them after Cruz's mother died last November.

They made Cruz buy a locking gun safe to put in his room the day he moved in. Cruz had a handful of guns, including the AR-15 and two other rifles that James Snead said would be considered assault rifles. Cruz, a hunter, also had knives, BB guns and pellet guns.

Snead thought he had the only key to the cabinet but has figured out Cruz must have kept a key for himself. The family kept their own rifles, bought after a burglary a couple of years ago, in a separate locked cabinet.

They told Cruz he needed to ask permission to take out the guns. He had asked only twice since November. They said "yes" once and "no" once.

Kimberly Snead said she took Cruz to a therapist five days before the shooting. He took a business card and was figuring out what his health insurance could cover, according to the Sun Sentinel. The Sneads insisted Cruz take adult education classes and drove him to school every day. He did not have a car, but rode a bicycle to work at a nearby Dollar Tree.

According to records obtained Sunday from the state Department of Children and Families, when Nikolas Cruz was a student at Westglades Middle School, he was constantly in trouble for insulting teachers and staff, using profanity, disruptive behavior, unexcused absences and at least one fight.

His mother was called in more than a dozen times for conferences and Cruz was frequently sent to counseling.
http://wfla.com/2018/02/18/family-t...uspect-after-death-of-his-parents-speaks-out/
 
#186 ·
I know at least a dozen kids, some over 20, who don't know how to do their own laundry and don't pick up their room or anything else in their home.

Not knowing how to use a microwave though, WOW, that's definitely a sign of a crazy person... [emoji12]
 
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#187 ·
Well it's not a sign in itself but maybe it shows he didn't get a lot of guidance in his life.
 
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