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#1 ·
There has been small things done in the recent past. AK47 round into the cooling oil reservoir on a big transformer in CA. It over heated and failed. The big ones are frequently manufactured in China. Think about that.

Cooking, heating, natural gas pipelines, well water, and city water in many ways need electrical power.

Here we have a wooden pole cut with a chainsaw next to a substation.

 
#15 ·
Doesn't take more than a couple of $.30 bullets to take down a substation.
 
#5 ·
Infrastructure in this country is ramshackle.
Everything outsourced, contracted out to the lowest bidder and deregulated.
All in the name of profit.
 
#11 ·
Take your non solution bullshit and cram it up your ass. You find fault with everything. Guess what? The world ain't perfect especially the one you THINK you want to live in. Add going to work in grid security to your job search.
 
#6 ·
TThe big ones are frequently manufactured in China. Think about that.
We're using Commie Power? If I lick a transformer I can catch Covid-19? Or just get a mouth full of Optimus Prime? You're gonna have to help me out a bit here. Exactly which horrible, life threatening conspiracy theory should I be thinking about right now?
 
#7 ·
I know a recent wind storm knocked my electrical power out for almost three days. Good old 2020 fortune. Looking at getting a propane generator so in case this happens again in the Winter I can run electric space heaters in my home and not have to endure low temperatures.
 
#27 ·
I have a propane generator. When this Derecho hit last month with steady winds of 110-140 mph, it knocked all power off. Period, around a large area of the state. After about 2-3 days, the boys ran out of gasoline for their generators. Mine just kept humming along. My power was off for about a week. Each 20lb tank of my LP ran much longer than even the specs on it stated. Never even had to use one of my 30lb tanks. Took three 20's up to the co-op and they refilled easily. No power required to fill an LP tank. :D
 
#9 ·
Where I am, I've seen big purple arcs jumping between the base of the line where it attaches to the pole and the flanged sleeve. I've also seen transformers blow several times. It makes a pretty impressive flash and boom when they go. The grid has not been enhanced one bit to accommodate the increased population density, and you can see the results.

Having an environment that attracts new residents and businesses is great, but if you don't control the new housing construction, you are just asking for trouble. A little city planning is in order.

There needs to be more competition in the utility industry. Even if there is only so much room for the generation facilities, there doesn't have to be room only for one deliverer. Perhaps it would make sense to contract out construction and maintenance of lines and substations to smaller districts to make that kind of competition more feasible.
 
#33 ·
Yep, not a big deal. Bottom of the reservoir.

Reading some of the links that I posted makes me wonder about hidden tech that might be inside the Chinese equipment that can be activated remotely. Then I wonder about where their equipment is all over the world.

Did I mention my cousin who has dual citizenship in Costa Rica told me that Mandarin is required as a second language there?
 
#39 ·
Infrastructure in this country is ramshackle.
No. But it is vulnerable. It's better than most others but that's not saying much.

Everything outsourced, contracted out to the lowest bidder and deregulated.
All in the name of profit.
That's not exactly true. It's actually quite tightly regulated, from production to delivery. Neither is it outsourced to the lowest bidder. Do you think that they'll let just anyone put up a power plant just anywhere? Egads, when was the last time they built a new power plant near you? There's always regulatory hurdles to cross, NIMBY to fight, and environmental protesters. And what about liens for all of the power delivery points along the public property and private property? Do you hear yourself?

No. Our power system is not in shambles. It is vulnerable to attack and to single points of failure in many spots. This is because as the technology developed it was developed to try to deliver power to the most people in most places, including through regulatory requirements, with the greatest build out. As the technology involved, the concept of protecting it from deliberate attack and sabotage was not a priority.
 
#42 ·
Our power system is not in shambles
Maybe you should pay me $1 for every time we have a power interruption at my house.
That will change your mind soon enough.
Smaller power companies are competing with each other and that leads to minimal investment to maximize revenues.
 
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Most have already read this I am sure but I figured I would just put this information here for anyone to read:

"Since 2015, George Soros has spent more than $17 million on district attorney races," notes O'Reilly. That is why we're witnessing an apparent collapse of the U.S. criminal justice system.

"You shoplift, they don't prosecute," O'Reilly laments. "You punch somebody in the face, they don't prosecute." You are arrested for auto theft and you're back on the street in hours because no cash bail is required. You are arrested, even for deadly assault, and no cash bail is required, so you're back on the streets.

Police departments in city after city are seeking to do their jobs in an environment where they know that Soros-funded prosecutors are going to let criminals go. The criminals themselves, quickly realizing that they're not going to be prosecuted, become emboldened. It's a vicious, vicious cycle.

https://townhall.com/columnists/jeffdavidson/2020/09/14/who-is-buying-district-attorneys-n2576141
 
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#56 ·
Bull was (is?) a sparky wasn't he?
IS, yes. Well, we don't call Linemen a Sparky, that is more for the guys like
me that do the interior wiring. But, we can each work in the other's arena. I
did do line work for a bit, it is not difficult but quite a bit different. @Bull
was also in my type of Sparky too, but he went "outside". He knows way
more about grids than I ever will, btw. @GoesBang is also IBEW. #BROTHERHOOD!
 
#59 ·
Yup, a few .22s to the body and the cooling oil drains out, it over heats and there's a fireworks show and fire. View attachment 67669
That's the little ones on the poles.

I saw a couple of them get zolted by lightning bolts. Quite the fireworks show with flaming PBD's showering into the air!



 
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#64 ·
For starters, the US needs its grid controls off of the public internet; or fire walled off of the net. A big job; but the sooner started; the sooner done. They could also standardize control software and then look for anomalies with a product called (or similar to) "Tripwire".

While "Nothing is impossible for the man who does not have to do it," that is one set of solutions. If utilities do not want to use firewalls, well, bandwidth and PC's are cheap.
Our country is full of CCP members so it would be a waste of time. Lots of internet users running of satellite too.
 
#66 ·
I believe that the power grid has it's own dedicated "INTRA-NET" and it would be easy to implement, they are already tied together 100% anyway... think about it.
100% WIRED TOGETHER... Data transmission on power lines is a thing too.
pick up the phone asshole
 
#68 ·
For starters, the US needs its grid controls off of the public internet; or fire walled off of the net. A big job; but the sooner started; the sooner done. They could also standardize control software and then look for anomalies with a product called (or similar to) "Tripwire".

While "Nothing is impossible for the man who does not have to do it," that is one set of solutions. If utilities do not want to use firewalls, well, bandwidth and PC's are cheap.
Tripwire is a unix/linux-based host intrusion detection system. Mostly scans for file changes.

Peace favor your sword (mobile)
 
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#71 ·
Sweetie had a lightning strike near her place into a substation. (I think) It took out a big transformer. One of the really big ones. From what I can gather they had to rewire the area. She was without power almost 48hrs. I am thinking the rewire of the area is going to make it rather frail, or susceptible to brown outs or black outs. I'm guessing it's one of those really big ones built in China that will take a long time to get.
 
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Pure speculation on your part. I personally have been a part of "grid hardening" efforts many years ago. While the grid is still vulnerable, it's been under constant upgrades. Even the smallest utilities are working to protect their cash cow [emoji230]

The rewire is likely an upgrade, not a temporary measure. Every time something is replaced, it has to meet current codes and specs, for a permanent install. I was an "inside wireman" for 34 years, but @Bull is a lineman and he can verify this...
 
#73 ·
I sent you the articles. I haven't taken the time to read this yet small print
 
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Here's an excerpt from a Shawn Ryan show. The whole show is 1hr 25min I just watched this short one. Knowing hundreds of military age Chinese nationals are coming over our borders gives me food for thought. More grid down scenarios, and Navy Seals investigating a power outage in CA in 2013. 8-9 terrorists? Hmmmmm............ ignore the loud music in the intro. It goes away quickly.


 
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