Anyone with 9mm +P ammo recommendations for coyotes at 50-100 yards? Looking to help a buddy rid his land of predator coyotes, near dusk or dawn - no night shooting. I have a 995TS with red dot co-witness that is sighted in at 50 yards with generic FMJ, looking to test out some higher end ammo to stretch its range.
1. Guessing +P to have it shoot flatter, longer, with more punch. Just getting any 9mm to 75yds accurately is the main part.
2. Not sure if a heavier 147gr bullet is better to combat the gusting Texas wind, or lighter faster 115gr bullet is better for energy as ballistics seem to indicate.
3. Guessing Hollow Point bullets are good for that type of game (we don't want pelts). But maybe XTP, SP or other tip is more aerodynamic since we are near max effective range?
4. Prefer something already proven in a Hi-Point carbine. Not looking to test several brands for reliable feed or other problems.
5. My buddy who needs the coyotes gone is buying my ammo, prolly up to $1 per round including some for range practice and likely multiple hunts. So, I'm hoping I can still find some premium 9mm +P ammo even in our current shortage. Like DoubleTap, Buffalo Bore, Underwood, etc.
Please let me know if you've tried something that may work for me (or that won't).
It is certainly a good excuse to buy a bigger gun! I have my eye on a nice 6.5 Creedmoor combo if you will kindly donate $1000. Meanwhile, I will use what I have, since this is just an occasional thing. Hopefully a couple trips take care of the problem.
Not sure if my friend is interested in using poison, I will mention it. Since it is his land, his call.
Are these coyotes being baited to be able to get that close in daylight/ dusk? Or maybe you have a great blind. Why not just throw out some poison and watch from cover to make sure a dog doesn't get into it. Here's a link to an article about a poison that kills the animal in 30 seconds. https://hofstra.github.io/coyote/sources/coyote-as-varmint/newspapers/arizona-republican-poison/
That is a Government project poison. Used by the Gov. only it seems in an experimental area of AZ.
Most States have strict laws against using any poison of any kind to kill even a coyote. Best to talk to your state Dept of Natural Resources first. Both fines and jail time usually occur if caught in any state with laws against poisoning animals.
I would use whatever ammo that is most accurate. Anything that goes through both lungs is going to kill a coyote, they aren't exactly grizzly bears. The hide/skin isn't as tough as a whitetail even. I've killed one with a .22 before and I've killed one with a .410 with 4 shot.
Thanks for the reminder OO! Yes, poisoning animals and the purchase of the poison would need to go through a county or state office. In my state you can shoot animals from Raccoons to Coyotes on your own property, without a hunting license even, if they are doing damage to property or livestock.
I agree with the @riverrover and the @Rachgier that you really need a high powered rifle, but I like the detailed question and intelligent breakdown. Many here are getting good groups at 100yds (some get 2" groups) with (formerly) cheap 9mm NATO. I know it works well in my carbines too, I've never shot at 100 but it groups very well at 25 and 50. I agree that a hollow point would be better for this. The 124gr is about the limit, I think HP warns that most 147's are excessive OAL and cycle poorly. Someone else will likely verify that. Sadly, I sold my 995ts and never replaced it. Love my 4595 tho!
Ummm, on it's surface, that seems to be challenging the laws of physics a bit. WAY more info needed, because it's more than twice the distance of prior unverified claims I have read. The longest shot even claimed (read it on the internet!) was 235 yd and dood killed a bobcat. It's not that the boolits won't go that far (they will) but a tiny 17gr to 20gr will not have much left!
On second glance, the claim is "hitting" 'yotes, not Killing 'Yotes :rotfl:
I was monitoring this thread and thinking, the poor guy got 2 posts actually answering his questions, 10 posts telling him he's wrong and should choose a different gun, and 1 post questioning his sexuality (I'm guessing - I kinda skimmed about half way through).
It seemed the old guy at Walmart claimed he had a BDC scope. I'll ask him what make and model it was.
As for not seeing a coyote at 500yds? Not all of us live on a sand bar. Besides coyotes move different than dogs. You wouldn't know that. Probably never seen one.
It seemed the old guy at Walmart claimed he had a BDC scope. I'll ask him what make and model it was.
As for not seeing a coyote at 500yds? Not all of us live on a sand bar. Besides coyotes move different than dogs. You wouldn't know that. Probably never seen one.
Its still a canine and sporting one at 500 yards isn't that easy. Let alone shooting one at 500 yards with a 17 would be a dream shot. Dudes full of shit.
The 17 HMR turret that comes with this scope is calibrated for a 17 grain bullet and has BDC functionality that is set out to a max of 250 yards. This model is built on a 1 inch tube and features a power adjustment range of 3-12 with a 40mm adjustable objective.
Focus in for me guys and gals. 25 posts with only 1.5 helpful comments.
Surely someone has tried some +P ammo in their 995? Doesn't have to be on coyotes, paper punching is fine. Just want to make sure it cycles and is accurate at 75-100 yards.
I know we are all cheapskates with HP's, but you can admit to using +P. We won't judge you. Well maybe....
When's the last time you saw a coyote? They wander in front of me a bunch when driving. They hang and sleep in the field next to me. If I buy that field I can hunt them.
It's important to remember that coyotes are a small target. Their kill zone is only about six-inches in diameter. Adding to the challenge, they are always on the move. When they stop moving, the shooter must be opportunistic, placing their shot with absolute precision.
Since you all are making me do my own research, thought i'd share some of my findings. Definitely 115 or 124 grain in +P, not 147. HST over Gold Dot hollow points. And to stir the pot on the sideline distractions to my thread, check out these videos about the range of 9mm:
Since you all are making me do my own research, thought i'd share some of my findings. Definitely 115 or 124 grain in +P, And to stir the pot on the sideline distractions to my thread,
@HPlover This topic has been hashed, rehashed, and now regurgitated recently. I'll tell you the same thing I told the last two who posted that exact same video.
You're confusing efficacy with effectiveness.
Real-world shooting is not seated, supported, from a sled, with fixed targets, at known distances, in ideal shooting conditions. Even a .22LR will carry lethal energy out to 400y and still be moving around 500 ft/s when it gets there.
It's your hunt and your call, so all we can do is give you crap about it, but I'll throw a third "E" word at you to consider before you decide.
@HPlover This topic has been hashed, rehashed, and now regurgitated recently. I'll tell you the same thing I told the last two who posted that exact same video.
You're confusing efficacy with effectiveness.
Real-world shooting is not seated, supported, from a sled, with fixed targets, at known distances, in ideal shooting conditions. Even a .22LR will carry lethal energy out to 400y and still be moving around 500 ft/s when it gets there.
It's your hunt and your call, so all we can do is give you crap about it, but I'll throw a third "E" word at you to consider before you decide.
Ethical.
I think you got my jab at the clowns confused with the original topic. I certainly agree with the ethics of not using 9mm to hunt at 200-400 yards.
Or maybe you are one of those that find 9mm handguns marginal for use on humans.
The bullet, velocity/energy and accuracy of my proposed shots to 40lb coyotes at 75 yards are almost IDENTICAL to what I propose to use my carry pistol on 200lb humans at 15 yards. Although 'yotes may be more ethical than some humans...
Is there a better gun/optic? Certainly, there almost always is. But, we are in a HP carbine forum. The 10mm perhaps?
P.S. I should just nuke them from space, it's the only way to be sure. :bounce:
I doubt that +P ammo will make enough difference to matter at that distance with that gun. Looking to rid a buddy's land of coyotes, if they are already there, is a pipe dream. Coyotes, rats, and mice are some of the most adaptable animals on the planet. I've seen 5 'yotes prancing through the backyard of my home that's in the middle of the 'burbs and lesser numbers many other times. They go where there's food and water. Water is the given, the food are deer coming down from the mountain this house is on. Go ahead and shoot them but, getting rid of them, keep trying. A .223 at the 100 yard distance is a nice choice.
Well, my ammo request may have become moot. Met my buddy today at his local range, and he had a present. 100 rounds of 9mm +P 115gr Hornady XTP!
Got my 995TS sighted in at 75 yards then ran 60 of the XTP thru it with no FTF or FTE. Got 1-2" groups at 75 yards and 2-4" at 100 yards. Standing, supported, with some wind - those are good groups for me. Think I found my carbine ammo!
Meanwhile he was equally pleased with the performance of some new ammo, Hornady LeveRevolution, in his .357 carbine.
Then scouted his property. He has a couple tree stands and a blind overlooking the only creek for miles. He found tracks at a wide spot and seen 'yotes in that general area. We should have good 50-100 yard shots if they drink or maybe cross there.
Are these coyotes being baited to be able to get that close in daylight/ dusk? Or maybe you have a great blind. Why not just throw out some poison and watch from cover to make sure a dog doesn't get into it. Here's a link to an article about a poison that kills the animal in 30 seconds. https://hofstra.github.io/coyote/sources/coyote-as-varmint/newspapers/arizona-republican-poison/
That's a BS article. No chance in the world is strychnine that fast. Thirty to sixty minutes are generally required before any clinical signs begin to develop.
Cyanide might kill within thirty seconds, but not strychnine.
You, like the poster, failed to notice this is an article written in March of 1920...
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