11.5" barrel, rifle stock, no tax stamp

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by greg_r, Jan 12, 2018.

  1. greg_r

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  2. adam01364

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    One of three things.
    Somehow classified as a pistol, either that it's a toy, or a unicorn.
    Damned if I can figger it.
     

  3. TNTRAILERTRASH

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    Welded/pinned 4.5" flash hider? o_O:confused::p
     
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  5. moona11

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    Over priced??
     
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  6. greg_r

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    I just heard a theory that the barrel has straight rifling. Interesting, and it would make sense I think, but it would be a close range affair.

    I have another theory. We can assume it has a binary trigger. Fires on both the pull and release. What if the trigger has been modified so it only fires on the "release" of the trigger. If so, it would not meet the literal definition of a rifle which fires on the "pull" of the trigger?

    Just throwing this out there. I do have something to base it on though. I once had a tractor trailer crash that I got removed from our record because I was able to take the definition of "in commerce" and prove, by one word in the definition that our vehicle was not a commercial motor vehicle because it did not meet the literal definition of "in commerce" at the time of the crash. They could not refute their own definition and the case was dismissed.

    I stand by my theory. It fires on the release of the trigger, not on the pull, therefore it does not meet the definition of a rifle. Will be interesting to see if I am right.
     
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  7. WECSOG

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    Not smoothbore and not straight rifled. Straight rifled would change nothing, and smoothbore would mean it needs an 18" barrel instead of just 16" since it has a buttstock. Either way it also has to be over 26" overall.
    The only thing I can think of is two actions for one shot.
     
  8. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    Read the link wecsog, it's straight rifling.
     
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  9. Dad_Roman

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    Seems a bit of a mute point after the new "relaxed" definition of shouldering a pistol blade.



    I love outside the box thinking, but that was borderline genius Greg ;)
     
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  10. WECSOG

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    I stand corrected. That's interesting; I didn't think ATF actually defined rifling as having twist. Even though we all know it does. Hmmm... That brings up some interesting questions.
     
  11. ajole

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    It is crazy, isn't it...who'd have thought straight "grooves" can be defined to be "rifling"?
     
  12. SWAGA

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    I could t find anything defining rifling as being exclusively grooved.
    This may go back and forth a couple of times same as the shoulder thingie...I mean the brace.
     
  13. ajole

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    As long as it isn't going up, we should all be safe....
     
  14. shubbell

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    Maybe we should just get rid of antiquated laws.
     
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  15. WECSOG

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    +1000! :machinegunner:
     
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  16. shubbell

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    I mean really? What liberal fut nuck came up with the ATF? Capone is supposedly dead. The natives have been tamed and civilized. The police are totally militarized as to not be out gunned by the bad guys. Why is it that it is ok for me to be out gunned by the bad guys AND "good guys"? As a constitutionalist, I have the same rights as the military and LEO, actually more, just less than the bad guys because I follow the law? What kind of stupid shit is that?

    Yes I know the answer. Just had to put that out there.
     
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  17. shubbell

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    As an answer to the OP, it probably falls under the AOW like the Shockwave. Clever....
     
  18. WECSOG

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    Shockwave is not AOW, nor is this gun.
    A pistol gripped shotgun-like smoothbore that has never had a buttstock and is under 26" OAL is AOW and requires nfa registration. Ditto for a pistol with a forward grip.
    Shockwave is over 26" thus not AOW and no nfa registration.
     
  19. shubbell

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    Owning a Shockwave, it says other.

    Edit. Pun intended. But really...
     
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