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The first HiPoint I ever handled was a monkey model 9x19mm that my prospective FIL at the time loaned us. He sent some Egyptian 9x19mm ammo w/ it, and I shot it a time or two. Worked fine, of course. I was at a gunshow, and someone was selling the modern stock for it for cheap, so I bought one & upgraded it. Took it back to him when I broke it off w/ his daughter.

Next was a .45 ACP pistol, used, bought at a gun show for $150. Promptly banged the Thingmeister mag catch in it and used a 10 round ProMag, just to see if it would run on it. It did, and I shot that pistol from kneeling at a measured 130 yds, shooting a 6' tall water tank. Squeeze, bang... ... ... bong! Witnessed, no less. Great fun, and likely my best pistolship to date. Loaned that gun out to an ARFCOMer on the condition he shoot it against his 1911s, and write up a post on it, then forward it on to the next ARFCOMer in line. He shot it - a lot. He didn't post about it, didn't send it on. He finally sent it back during the pandemic. I could tell he'd shot it a lot due to powder residue on the forward end of the slide. I suspect he didn't dare tell anyone how well it compared to his fancy-pants 1911s he'd bragged about. Sold that gun a year or two ago at a show, as I recall for twice what I paid for it, although maybe it was only $200.

While I had that one, my lovely then future bride bought me a .45 carbine for my birthday. Banged a Thingmeister mag catch into that one as well, as I'd bought both the pistol & rifle mag catches before I'd bought any HiPoints in the 1st place. Still have it. Need to put the springs back into the buttstock pad. Wish I could convert it to a High Tower bullpup, but am wedded to 1911 mags.

Walked into an AFB gun counter, they had a .40 S&W pistol under the glass for $165. I asked if they had the .45. They did. No sales tax. Had to order a new Thingmeister catch this time, only to find out he'd dropped the wood grips. Ah well. It's the loaner for my joes w/o, and has produced two Glocks, as they don't enjoy being stuck w/ the "Brick" on trips.

My BIL was having domestic troubles, figgered a new gun would cheer him up. He's in my trust, and the .45" can has been mouldering away in his safe w/o a host to screw it to. The new carbines come w/ threaded muzzles, so I got on WalletRaper.com & found him one. Ordered another Thingmeister catch & a couple of 10 rnd mags, and he's quietly in business.
 

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I can afford to be generous w/ HiPoints, M-7 bayonets, Maverick 88s & AR lowers. When things get more expensive, calculations start to get made. The Maverick 88s & HiPoints I generally want back, but the loan period can be quite some time. I've probably given as many guns away as I've sold.
 

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I can afford to be generous w/ HiPoints, M-7 bayonets, Maverick 88s & AR lowers. When things get more expensive, calculations start to get made. The Maverick 88s & HiPoints I generally want back, but the loan period can be quite some time. I've probably given as many guns away as I've sold.
These days I very careful about such things due to liability.
 

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I have never heard of a lawsuit against someone who legally gave someone else a gun. Links?
I do not have any links, but I could see liability with the way civil is this way and possibly criminal, especially if the gun gets involved in something in a neighboring state. I would not do it and if you think it is good idea, it is your choice.
 

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I do not have any links, but I could see liability with the way civil is this way and possibly criminal, especially if the gun gets involved in something in a neighboring state. I would not do it and if you think it is good idea, it is your choice.
Anybody can be accused of being liable for anything if they can connect the dots in just the right way. For example: Remington for advertising their rifles in a certain way. Gander Mt for LEGALLY selling a handgun to someone who may or may not have looked shady right before he used it to commit a spree killing at the ACA in Binghamton, NY.(That was a crazy day to be on an ambulance.) A bartender over serving a customer who kills somebody in a collision while DUI. Not locking up your firearm properly, so your child takes it and goes on a spree killing at school.

I mean let's face facts. If I loaned you a baseball bat, a kitchen knife, a chain saw, a motor vehicle, anything really; and you go injure, maim, or revoke someone's birth certificate with said item... there's going to be a lawyer, judge, and jury somewhere that would blame me for it...
 

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Anybody can be accused of being liable for anything if they can connect the dots in just the right way. For example: Remington for advertising their rifles in a certain way. Gander Mt for LEGALLY selling a handgun to someone who may or may not have looked shady right before he used it to commit a spree killing at the ACA in Binghamton, NY.(That was a crazy day to be on an ambulance.) A bartender over serving a customer who kills somebody in a collision while DUI. Not locking up your firearm properly, so your child takes it and goes on a spree killing at school.

I mean let's face facts. If I loaned you a baseball bat, a kitchen knife, a chain saw, a motor vehicle, anything really; and you go injure, maim, or revoke someone's birth certificate with said item... there's going to be a lawyer, judge, and jury somewhere that would blame me for it...
Well, clearly you failed to moderate their action, and you ARE a super moderator, so...
 

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I do not have any links, but I could see liability with the way civil is this way and possibly criminal, especially if the gun gets involved in something in a neighboring state. I would not do it and if you think it is good idea, it is your choice.
I'd happily give a gun to Rittenhouse, particularly if there was trouble brewing. 2x commies dead and the liberal butthurt flowed like a torrent.
 

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Anybody can be accused of being liable for anything if they can connect the dots in just the right way. For example: Remington for advertising their rifles in a certain way. Gander Mt for LEGALLY selling a handgun to someone who may or may not have looked shady right before he used it to commit a spree killing at the ACA in Binghamton, NY.(That was a crazy day to be on an ambulance.) A bartender over serving a customer who kills somebody in a collision while DUI. Not locking up your firearm properly, so your child takes it and goes on a spree killing at school.

I mean let's face facts. If I loaned you a baseball bat, a kitchen knife, a chain saw, a motor vehicle, anything really; and you go injure, maim, or revoke someone's birth certificate with said item... there's going to be a lawyer, judge, and jury somewhere that would blame me for it...
In the safety field where I once worked a gun is in some legal definitions: dangerous instrumentality
What does dangerous instrumentality mean?

Dangerous instrumentality refers to the doctrine that holds the owner of an inherently dangerous tool responsible for any injuries or damage the tool might cause. This legal concept is also known as vicarious liability.
I am not a lawyer for sure, but consider once that gun is in someone else's possession you have no control over the family members or even their associates of the person that is now in control of that weapon. I do not know the tort law in my state or the neighboring states and for sure do not know criminal law or case law. Get a bill of sale and legally sell them the gun with the understanding that they will sell it back to you.
 

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I've never understood the Bill of Sale mentality. Once a gun leaves your hands, if you sold/bartered/gave to a fellow state resident, legally, why bother recording the transaction?
Gets used in a crime after you sold it. Police trace the serial number back to you. Piece of paper with a date and the ID along with the signature of the purchaser sends the police elsewhere. If the gun is not traceable to you including DNA and fingerprints then who cares and charge them extra for a gun without a history.
 

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Gets used in a crime after you sold it. Police trace the serial number back to you. Piece of paper with a date and the ID along with the signature of the purchaser sends the police elsewhere. If the gun is not traceable to you including DNA and fingerprints then who cares and charge them extra for a gun without a history.
Either I remember who I gave it to, or I sold it at a gun show, either to an urban yute w/ a valid in-state driver's license or to a middle aged balding pudgy white guy w/ the same. A piece of paper isn't going to deter police if I'm placed @ the scene of the crime, and if I'm not, then I'm a dead end w/ or w/o a piece of paper.
 

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Now we're mixing tortious conduct with criminal behavior.

Tortious conduct is a violation of common law against an individual, not a criminal act against society. While a tort and a criminal case are not mutually exclusive, they are in fact completely independent cases with different levels of burden.
 
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Now we're mixing tortious conduct with criminal behavior.

Tortious conduct is a violation of common law against an individual, not a criminal act against society. While a tort and a criminal case are not mutually exclusive, they are in fact completely independent cases with different levels of burden.
In america the tort often follows when no criminal conviction can be obtained. If someone has money as stated they are not mutually exclusive and lawyers like vultures will gather. In florida if a shooting is ruled justified under state law no civil case is allowed and so far the lawyers have not gotten through that firewall.
Myself with prudent behavior I hope to never have to be in such a scenario; it often means eating a lot of you know what and walking away.
 

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In america the tort often follows when no criminal conviction can be obtained. If someone has money as stated they are not mutually exclusive and lawyers like vultures will gather. In florida if a shooting is ruled justified under state law no civil case is allowed and so far the lawyers have not gotten through that firewall.
Myself with prudent behavior I hope to never have to be in such a scenario; it often means eating a lot of you know what and walking away.
We've recently had a lengthy discussion about states where a civil suit could and couldn't be filed, whether there was an acquittal, dismissal, or had been deemed justified. You must have missed it...
 
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