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Discussion in 'Hi-Point Carbines' started by johnnyBgood, Jan 20, 2015.
Don't be cryin' at least there is something happening for the first time in yeaaaaaaars....
I'm not really complaining about it, and am not surprised they made the .380 in carbine size. Just would have preferred something else.
380 carbine seemed to be right near the bottom, many knew it would be dead simple, but "why"? I'm still wondering "WHY"???
Because they CAN, obviously.
It makes economic sense, easiest to do... but who really wants an underpowered carbine when the 9, 40 and 45 are so easily obtained?
Listened to the LCD (lowest common denominator)
380 makes good sense, for ladies and recoil sensitive older gentlemen, and those with a desire for a reasonably recoiling pocket gun. But in the carbine... It's not high on my "to buy" list. Now I see guys like Mel and Rich, OK, I'd want it too. But Mel was not really happy that he's one less gun to his goal of a complete HP collection! Tepid Reaction, it seems... I'll bet he's like most of the rest of us, wishing they had made hi-cap mags or a 1095 instead!
Seems to me that the 380 carbine has a very flat sheen to it. I wonder if they are chaging the finish on all the carbines.
1100 fps and almost 300 ft.lbs
That would be 1300 fps and lots more ME (500?) from a 16.5" barrel, but it is $1.30 PER ROUND Not exactly Plinking Rounds...
Underwood would be a better bet, lemme find that for y'all
$0.34/ round at 1000fps
1150 FPS, ballistic twin to the Buffalo Bore and you get 50 for $3 over the box of 20 price. 60¢/round for the Underwood
Sold Out, but they have 90 grain +P stuff @ 1200 FPS which could exceed 1400 FPS in a carbine!
The Tula looks like the best bet
Tula doesn't work in my BG .380
Several Midway reviews aid that, but most anything works in a Hi Point.
I have shot aluminum and steel out of my 995ts
I have no idea why there's a dip at 15 inches
I got to thinking that the 3895 might be a way to get more sales in Mexico. Civilians are limited to 380 acp there so it stands to reason that if you wanted to be able to advertise a pistol/carbine combo you would have to introduce a 380 carbine. It is not like it is costing Mom much as far as machineing to produce it.but it could mean a huge sales jump.
Hell,Ill buy one to go with my Hi-Point .380 handguns,hell yeah.
Isn't that about what steel cased surplus 7.62x54R is?
Peace favor your sword,
Yeah, that could definitely open up a lot of markets. Kel Tec offered the P11 in .380ACP, as a limited run, specifically for export. But they don't make them any more.
Here's the advantages I see:
Super easy to produce. Basically, you can use the same barrels as the 9mm and simply cut the chamber differently. The same barrel blanks, bore drills, and rifling buttons get used. Only thing that changes is the chamber cut. Heck, going by the slide weights on the C9 as compared to the CF380 (they're the exact same weight, ims), I don't think HP even has to change the weight of the Breach Block in the carbine from the 995. It's, literally, just a different barrel (which is super easy to make in this case) and different stampings on the side.
Allows caliber consolidation and Handgun/Carbine pairing. The latter option is a classic and dates back to the earliest metallic cartridge offerings. And with the vast array of .380ACP chambered handguns on the market today, it's easy to have a 3895TS for rifle, CF380/CF380COMP for bedside, an inexpensive pocket 380 such as the Denali, and maybe a Bersa Thunder in 10 or 15 mag capacity for belt carry (OC, IWB, or OWB, take your pick).
Opens up foreign markets for the carbine. It really is the easiest way to expand in foreign markets which dismissal M&P calibers for citizen use.
However, I'm not sure it could mean a "huge sales jump." Last I heard HP was selling everything they could make and were having a hard time keeping up with demand. While most rifle manufacturers, AR manufacturers in particular, have seen an (expected) decline in sales recently, certain manufacturers such as HP and Kel Tec, literally, can't make enough to satisfy demand.
I think that if exports are an important part of their decision, they're looking for measured growth and, more importantly, sustainability. Not so much a "huge sales jump."
Peace favor your sword,
I'll save my money for when they make something different . 380 is the best they could come up with give me a break
Yeah, that is mighty odd. Unless they use a semi-auto action, and that could be correlated with the action opening. But from my reading about BBTI's methods, I do not believe they use a semi-auto on their test barrels? Not sure
You forgot recoil spring changes. But they may change the reciprocating mass as well, to get it in the sweet spot for the 380 cartridge. Remember, they want it to run with as many 380 offerings as possible. Less warranty claims that way
Can you use it to hunt bear
Yes, you shoot your hunting buddy and wait for the bear to choke on a bone.
this is why i hunt alone