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.6980 OAL for the bullet. Now if I can only get replies from Hornady and Sierra (and I found a published load for Speer too). Just gotta get them to respond.

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Sorry Kirk, been out at the cabin for a while. I believe that you'll find solid bullets tend to create more pressure so I'd use the low end of AA#7 for 45gn. Sierra spt. and work from there. You may want to pick up some moly spray and coat the contact area of the bullet to help reduce pressure. I'd also start with a small pistol instead of the small rifle primer. That may be unnecessary but better safe than sorry.
 

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Sounds like more fun than working.

Thanks for the heads up. I think I've read that elsewhere as well.

Cool. I've actually be seriously considering the Seirra SPT and #7 as my cup-n-core handload as well. I nearly bought some online today but Midway is out of stock at the moment. I'll likely pick up #7 from the LGS this week.

If I can use the same seating depth for both the Seirra SPT and the Fort Scott and find a powder charge they both like, that'd take some hassle out of handloading.

I'm assuming you're suggesting same seating depth?

I'll have to try to find some. I hope my LGS has it. I prefer buying from them before getting it online.

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It would depend on the ogive and how similar they are.
 

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Got my reply from Hornady:
"The 40 gr. V-Max is 0.684 and the 35 gr. V-Max is 0.517 in length. "

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I guess I'm not that worried about bullet length for the 5.7. You should have a decent set of calipers or a digital micrometer where you can measure that. One word of warning, the NTX Hornaday bullets in 35gn. will push pressures up past 35gn V-Max . It's a different design with a boat tail that seems to really affect pressure!
 

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From Fiocchi? I know that PSA will be releasing their own. They're claiming they'll release the FMJ for sale at SHOT. $0.50 / round. Self Defense loads from them will be V-MAX. But I currently carry the Speer Gold Dot loads.

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Yes Fiocchi, I think they are starting to use Speer bullets in addition to Hornaday. I can't justify paying nearly $70 for 50 Gold dots.
 

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Yes Fiocchi, I think they are starting to use Speer bullets in addition to Hornaday. I can't justify paying nearly $70 for 50 Gold dots.
I still have some of "law enforcement" red box Fiocchi for self defense but now that hunting season is over I have several other bullets to play with.
 

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I read this post with interest when you first posted it. I saw there were no replies, and I did not chime in either. Reason being that I would not start reloading for this cartridge without a at least somewhat common recipe used common parts. There are no common parts to compare this bullet too. And I do not think either length or weight will be the motivating factor. It will be the resistance the bullet has in the barrel. I won’t make a suggestion because I would be fearful of a KABOOM.
There are actual reloading guidelines from powder companies as well as vetted reloading articles. Yes, this is not a round that should be loaded by a new person or someone who doesn't understand ladder charges and pressure signs. That being said as long as the correct caliber bullet is loaded bore friction is not a problem IF the proper precautions are taken. I've personally reloaded and fired over a thousand rounds of this caliber with different bullets. There are limitations as to bullet weight and charges and the 5.7x28mm case requires special care and vigilant inspection but the current cost and availability of ammunition makes it worthwhile.
 

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Why Ft.Scott? In common calibers they have not lived up to their claims in any way. They don't tumble etc. IIRC their accuracy is crap too.
While I don't put a lot of stock in some YouTube videos, Paul Harrell is an accomplished world champion shooter and former Leo shooting instructor. He has an interesting video where he shoots 80 gn 9 mm Ft Scott ammo through a meat target with both level llA and lllA body armor strapped to the front.
 

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I will respectfully disagree. As Kirk noted. There is no data on the specific bullet that he wants to use, therefore, with the bullet being a monolithic bullet, what monolithic bullet loading are you going to compare it to? It’s not like taking a 45 grain Hornet bullet from Sierra that you have a known safe load for and comparing it to a 45 grain Hornet bullet from Hornady.

Even among bullets that look alike and are of like construction can have tremendously different pressure signatures. All it takes is a slight difference in olgive, bearing surface, or jacket hardness.

I want data from powder companies, or bullet manufacturers. Those that have the proper equipment. I don’t want any data from some Joe Blow on the internet. Not unless I can be sure of the load work up and the equipment used. Once I find a reliable and safe load, I may tweak it for my own use, but I will NEVER share my data with anyone else.

If Kirk finds a load that uses a bullet similar to the Fort Scott 40 grain monolithic bullet, then I would tinker with my loading. Starting with minimum load data and working
As I stated before, this isn't for everybody. I have a load that I've worked up for 43gn. monolithic solid Maker bullets. Because they have a different profile that doesn't make the info interchangeable with Ft. Scott 40gn. Even though there is powder company info. for 35gn. V-Max bullets it's pretty much useless for 35gn. NTX bullets made by Hornaday. (Fiocchi is now selling the NTX bullet in ammo). This can be true for any caliber. You are taking a risk whenever you substitute bullets even though some powder manufacturers will say it's ok to do that. Wood Bullet Ammunition Gun accessory Metal

That's why they always recommend starting on the low end as powder varies from lot to lot too! In this case I also sprayed the contact area of each bullet with 2 coats of dry moly lubricant to help lower pressure.
 

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Someone over at Midway put a micrometer on the Sierra 45 gr. SPT. He measured a set of 5 and came up with: ".626, .625, .624, .627, and .625" ...so an averate of .625

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That makes sense, in my experience any time your dealing with soft point lead tips you're going to get variance. Those numbers aren't bad.
 

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Not surprisingly, the Fort Scott bullets are longer than the longest of the cup-n-core.

I'm really looking hard at the Sierra SPT bullets. They're almost twice the price of the V-MAX but I think they're more likely to give me the performance I think I want. Sierra says they won't expand at the velocities that 5.7 will push but that's half of what I'm looking for.

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There's the rub, do you want violent expansion with a rapid energy dump, or something with more penetration. I think we can agree that the lighter the bullet, the quicker the energy will drop. Fiocchi had the near perfect balance with their 27gn hollow point with penetrator green tip bullet. That bullet didn't expand at all , would penetrate level lllA armor, then tumble. And it DID tumble creating a pretty massive wound channel for such a small bullet. It did not over penetrate though. That's been my guiding objective to come as close to that round as possible. It travelled at right around 2000fps. I've been reluctant to push the speed on these since I'm using used brass. I've seen some concerning pressure signs so I'm just playing safe for now until the day I can either get more of the red box green tips or virgin brass. I have some 32gn. Maker monolithic expanding (according to them) bullets that I'm going to try next. I also have 500 Dogtown 34gn hollow points that I've used before. They're actually pretty good on varmints. I've shot a few porcupine and one coyote with them.
 

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As an alternative to the cup and core this is Maker's 37gn bullet. I sent a question about what speed it will expand. I have the 43gn. bullets loaded with a fairly mild load that I plan on shooting into some gallon milk jugs @ 7 yd.s to see how they perform. The length on these is .58 by my calipers.
 

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As an alternative to the cup and core this is Maker's 37gn bullet. I sent a question about what speed it will expand. I have the 43gn. bullets loaded with a fairly mild load that I plan on shooting into some gallon milk jugs @ 7 yd.s to see how they perform. The length on these is .58 by my calipers.
They actually make three different bullets in this weight, expanding, fracturing, and tipped. I picked up the expanding version. 1in 7 to 1 in 9 recommended twist.
 

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Got the reply Sierra:

40gr Hornet has a nominal (drawing) length of 0.487”, the 45gr Hornet at 0.535”, and the SPT at 0.625” for twist rate calculations.

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The 40gn Hornet and the 45gn FN I load for my TCM along with the 33 Hornet and the RIA 40gn.
 

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100yd.s? I know the 5.7 has the ability with the V-max. I don't think your going to find any hand gun that will penetrate lllA body armor at that distance short of a S&W .460. ( Which still may not penetrate but will break a few ribs). I think a more realistic approach would be 50ft. ( Like the Texas Church Drill) . At any rate you may want to look into the Maker line of solids, some of which do penetrate llA at 7 yd.s. The lllA vest I have at the club is pretty well shot up to get any kind of input from. I'm hoping one of our board members who's on SWAT can donate another one soon.
One of the issues I'm having is purchasing American Eagle and dismantling it to get virgin brass. Prices are just too crazy right now. I wonder what the ramifications would be if you took a hollow points and insert a penetrator in it. Not good I'd guess but that's what Fiocchi had with their 27gn green tips.
 

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OK. I bought a box of 50.

HOLY MOTHER OF MERCY! UPS shipping estimate was $12 so I clicked OK. Actual shipping charges that UPS slammed on me is $21.25!!!! If I would have know that, I would have chosen the USPS, for $11 shipping.

I called up the phone number and was connected with Paul, the owner, who took my call despite being at lunch. He says this is is a new thing that UPS has started doing a few days ago and he can't control it and has no good way of changing my shipping to USPS or even canceling my order and refunding me. He promised to try do do something to "help" me out such as putting in some free product or something, but good night, my box of $28 dollar bullets turned into $50 in a blink of an eye. So, heads up, next time you order from them, use USPS not UPS.

If I were Paul, I would find it upsetting that I have so little control over my e-commerce options and I'd be looking for a different product/vendor.

Yet another reason why I really prefer buying local.

Go frag yourself UPS!

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YEOW :oops: , I'm sorry man that's a new one on me. If you called him right away and he told you that then it's BS. He should of been able to change the shipping. I would of told him I was disputing the charges on my credit card! If he wants to stay in business he better figure out how to at least warn people on his website! I'm going to write him and tell him so!
That REALLY pisses me off.
 

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I'm considering using graphite spray lube instead. Thoughts?

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I've never tried graphite, When I worked in a Brass plant they used graphite in the cast shop and it was really nasty stuff. It might of been totally different then what you're talking about using so maybe someone that's used it before can chime in.
 

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Yeah, you must have missed the thread where I posted how UPS seized (rumors say destroyed a few too) thousands of firearms in transit and canceled hundreds of shipping contracts with manufacturers and dealers after they enacted newer, more strict, and extremely cost prohibitive shipping policies for firearms, parts, ammunition, receivers, suppressors, and even replicas.
I stopped using FedEx cause they screwed several shipments up on me. Now UPS? That sucks! If you're going to buy or sell a gun out of state Bud's gun shop has a service called Ship your gun that was very reasonable when sold a gun to a guy in Arizona from New York. They even insure it and will send you proper shipping materials if you don't have 'em. That being said, I don't know what carrier they're using so that may be a problem now too.:rolleyes:
 
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