I have not seen these on a shelf anywhere but had some given to me years ago. I have Nosler and PMC. I imagine they are more for .380 but I decided to give 'em a go tonight in my new Canik. I seated these to 1.055. That seemed to match the ogive of the 115 gr rn. I started with 5.7 gr of Unique and while they fired they would not cycle. Up to 5.9 gr, same thing. Moved up to 6.2 gr and they worked great. Now this load looks scary as 6.2 is damn near level with the case mouth , but for 115 gr rn the max I have in my Sierra manual is 6.3. Anyway I just thought I'd share some info that I couldn't find anywhere but decided to try anyway. As always, this didn't blow me up or my gun but ymmv. good luck.