995 as a combat weapon?

Discussion in 'Hi-Point Carbines' started by Loxxa, Jul 18, 2008.

  1. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

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    A combat weapon is one that would be appropriate for use in the deliberate initiation of multiple intense conflicts. Such a weapon would have to have sufficient range and penetrative capacity to neutralize enemy combatants who may be wearing soft armor, will be using certain amounts of artificial or natural material for cover, and who will be using rifle-caliber weapons to do the same to you. That would require the weapon to be of a rifle caliber. A pistol-caliber rifle or carbine could not even be considered, therefor.

    Additionally, the weapon would have to be of a design that would allow it to reasonably accept a 20-30 round magazine, and it would have to be easy to disassemble for frequent teardown for routine maintenance. That would require the magazine to load either forward of or behind the pistol grip,
    and the takedown hardware would have to be disengaged without punches and hammers.

    These factors pretty well eliminate HP carbine as options for actual combat weapons. They are, however, appropriate for utility or self defense roles. In most self defense situations, the engagement ranges would be well within the range of the pistol-caliber cartridges, and the capacity of the magazine's would be quite sufficient for most scenarios.
     
  2. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member

    While I love my Hi-point 4095 I wouldn't consider it a combat weapon. In a crunch or House to House... maybe...

    When I started this hobby I had a definite "needs" list to try and cover most situations and ammo availability.
    AK Types for their durability
    AR for their accuracy and all around use
    Mosin once again for a durable proven rifle
    12 GA for those "close" encounters
    HP Carbine Ditto but mostly for fun.
    22's for varmints/fun.

    Every weapon has their purpose. Still looking to get an AR10, SKS and a .270 or .30-06 bolt to add to my collection someday but I think I have a good start.
     

  3. MachoMelvin

    MachoMelvin Well-Known Member

    I wanted a semi 308 also. Picked up a CETME for a song, but soon found it's short comings & moved it along. Was looking at the PTR's, when I ran across the DS Arms FAL. A much better 308, IMHO!
     

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  4. Visper

    Visper AK = Automatic Killer!?! Supporting Member

    Yeah, the main reason the semi auto 308 has evaded me is just making a decision... FALs are very nice and you have a damn nice looking rifle there.

    I really like the H&K G3 style rifles also. I know there are many knock offs out there also so wading through all the variants is my newest campaign.

    But I guess the HK-91 is the one I seem to keep coming back to...
     
  5. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member


    Hell yeah!.... I'm slipping on that one...
     
  6. mahansights

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    9mm battle weapon?

    The two LEO's shot in Ferguson were hit with a 40 cal!! AT least one was a head shot! Wound not considered life threatening!

    Gabby Giffords took a head shot that went as i recall through the length of brain cavity and is still around though she suffered traumatic brain injuries!!

    As last chance weapon maybe??? maybe first option never!! For first option I'm holding out for a .458 socom!!

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  7. TxGun

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    Exactly. No HP carbine is a true combat weapon. Good for many things, but not real combat scenarios. And no, HD/SD is not considered actual combat, except in the narrowest possible interpretation, which was not the initial question here..."In a theoretical invasion/war would the 995 hold up as a primary combat weapon?"
     
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  8. ajole

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  9. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

     
  10. TNTRAILERTRASH

    TNTRAILERTRASH Supporting Member

    What the Hellz yer holdup? Spend that IRS check! Got mine 3 days ago. Special delivery from GAG. ;)
     
  11. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    So this isn't a Combat Weapon?

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    No wonder we lost WWII ;)

    (Just stirring the pot)

    Peace favor your sword (mobile)
     
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  12. juski_w

    juski_w Member

    All of NATO uses the 7.62 (308). Lots of good semi auto rifles & ammo available. AK (7.62 Russian) is very dependable, just not very accurate at longer range.
     
  13. juski_w

    juski_w Member

    Those tanker grease guns were a blast to shoot!
     
  14. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

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    The difference is that in WWII, the enemy didn't wear soft armor, and the rifles they we're using were bolt-action. Until the STG-44 came out, there was nothing that they used that would threaten the submachinegun-armed Soldiers, aside from crew-served weapons. And our guys also had crew-served weapons backing them up.
     
  15. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    So PCC just doesn't fit modern warfare?

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    My point is that the idea of a "Combat Weapon" is very broad. Even today the military has different firearms for different roles. Not everything is the M4.

    Another example, you mentioned that a Combat Weapon had to be removable magazine of 20 or greater rounds. Like this?

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    Or that it had to be able to penetrate soft cover. Such as this weapon which, in it's earliest U.S. military iteration, was known to fail to accurately penetrate vegetation and humid air (Vietnam)?

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    I'm not trying to be a wanker (well, maybe a little ;) ) I'm just suggesting that there is no one-size-fits-all when it comes to "Combat Weapons." Otherwise this would have never existed (which is only a little bit more M.E. than the .40S&W from the 4095TS).

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    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  16. MachoMelvin

    MachoMelvin Well-Known Member

    The HK, PTR & CETME don't have the LRHO option & I've been told they all bugger up the casing so not to reload. The DSR has a lifetime transferrable warranty also.
     
  17. planosteve

    planosteve Lifetime Supporter

    Not true on the reloading. I had a H&K 91 and while the fluted chamber did make the cases look bad, I could reload the 4 or 5 times before having to scrap them. No issues reusing them in the H&K 91 my M1A did not like them.
     
  18. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    The original question was a HiPoint 995 as a 'combat' weapon.
     
  19. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Which brings back the broad and ill defined debate of what constitutes "combat." :)

    Peace favor your sword,
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  20. Think1st

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    Based on my own definition of a combat weapon (SOMEONE has to define it), a PCC is no longer an appropriate combat weapon. I would put it into the category of a personal defense weapon (PDW). In fact, the M1 Garand, while a superior example of a combat weapon in its day, no longer qualifies as a combat weapon.

    A combat weapon has to be capable of supporting a series of large-scale conventional offensive operations by the standards of today's most widely-distributed platforms. If it can't do something similar to what an AR or AK can do, then it is only a sport-utility weapon or a PDW, at best.