Thanks anon....should of thought of that :-[ Maybe I should mention that there are two of them at a LGS. I do not own them, I just wanted to let anyone in the Cullman Alabama area know they are there. I am trying to encourage some of the locals to give Hi-points a try. I mentioned some time ago to one of the salesmen how nmuch I enjoyed mine and he ordered two of them for the store. I won't be making anything off these, just trying to help. Would one of you mods move this to for sale so I don't double post, thanks bunches. Chefman