[lklawson]

Wired article talking about Right to Repair legislation in Mass. and some of the auto manufacturer's pushback at it. New Mass. law says that automakers have to open their telematics and Subaru and Kia say that it's impossible and if if it is possible they can't do it in such a short time frame. In order to "comply" with the law, they've turned off remote start and some other stuff for Mass. registered cars.

Full article at off site link here:

A Fight Over the Right to Repair Cars Turns Ugly

In the wake of a voter-approved law, Subaru and Kia dealers in Massachusetts have disabled systems that allow remote starts and send maintenance alerts.

www.wired.com

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[RACHGIER]

Wasn't Apple in the same boat recently? Why Apple changed its mind on Right to Repair. Looks like it's supposed to have kicked in this year...

 

[lklawson]

Wasn't Apple in the same boat recently? Why Apple changed its mind on Right to Repair. Looks like it's supposed to have kicked in this year...

I think so, yes. IMS, John Deere is still fighting it.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[MaryB]

The car makers are full of crap, it would be very siumple to take their current diagnostics tool and make some stuff read only so the backyard mechanic can't disable the automated braking or other safety systems. Minor programming change! Repair shops can get the full version. And car owners SHOULD see what data car manufacturers are selling! And be allowed to block that access if they want privacy.

I was part of that Apple fight, I do a little cell phone repair and if I swapped in a new battery it would show an error code because I didn't have access to the software to reset the battery serial number. Same for a new screen. These are fairly easy repairs anyone can tackle if they spend $50 on some tools.

 

[Chef Duane]

The car makers are full of crap, it would be very siumple to take their current diagnostics tool and make some stuff read only so the backyard mechanic can't disable the automated braking or other safety systems. Minor programming change! Repair shops can get the full version. And car owners SHOULD see what data car manufacturers are selling! And be allowed to block that access if they want privacy.

I was part of that Apple fight, I do a little cell phone repair and if I swapped in a new battery it would show an error code because I didn't have access to the software to reset the battery serial number. Same for a new screen. These are fairly easy repairs anyone can tackle if they spend $50 on some tools.

You can do this on certain manufacturers' cars with an ELM327 scan tool and Forscan software on a laptop. Hardwire or Bluetooth. Been around a while.

 

[lklawson]

The main arguments from the auto makers seem to revolve around the idea that bad actors could find exploits and that by keeping the source closed, the exploits will remain hidden.

Security through Obscurity.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[undeRGRound]

The main arguments from the auto makers seem to revolve around the idea that bad actors could find exploits and that by keeping the source closed, the exploits will remain hidden.

Security through Obscurity.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

They also do not want us to exploit the mileage limits, in fact there has been one major hack that could be done for years, nearly every car on the road now has late cycle fuel injected that "keeps the catalytic converters at optimum operating temperatures at all times". This is pure, wasted fuel. But it is the easiest way to fulfill the EPA requirements for Cat Temps.

 

[1024Megabytes]

(I know I have ranted about this before but here I go again.) I hate the stupid wireless car keys. About $500 for a new key! The stupid key alone probably costs $30 and maybe $30 in labor costs to program it. This is nothing but a rip off for consumers. Do not get wireless keys for your car! My programmed computer chip key (that is not wireless) cost about $75 for my Mazda and this is even too expensive in my opinion.

 

[RACHGIER]

(I know I have ranted about this before but here I go again.) I hate the stupid wireless car keys. About $500 for a new key! The stupid key alone probably costs $30 and maybe $30 in labor costs to program it. This is nothing but a rip off for consumers. Do not get wireless keys for your car! My programmed computer chip key (that is not wireless) cost about $75 for my Mazda and this is even too expensive in my opinion.

I remember going to the hardware store and getting extra keys cut for my Toyota corolla so my parents had a set.

 

[1024Megabytes]

I remember going to the hardware store and getting extra keys cut for my Toyota corolla so my parents had a set.

Oh we cannot have regular metal keys anymore for cars. $3 or $4 to have one cut. Oh no. This is for "security reasons" that we have all these new systems on car keys to protect you from having your car stolen. I believe it is so they have you over a barrel of muck that they can shove you into for when you lose a car key.

 

[RACHGIER]

Oh we cannot have regular metal keys anymore for cars. $3 or $4 to have one cut. Oh no. This is for "security reasons" that we have all these new systems on car keys to protect you from having your car stolen. I believe it is so they have you over a barrel of muck that they can shove you into for when you lose a car key.

Well didn't Biden say he wants a breathalyzer in all new cars here soon enough?

 

[1024Megabytes]

Well didn't Biden say he wants a breathalyzer in all new cars here soon enough?

Yes I heard he did some tyrant executive order on that crap. I hope it gets over turned and never goes into effect.

I've never been drunk in my life. Why the heck do we need to punish innocent people who do not drink alcohol and drive by raising the price of their cars by forcing breathlyzer devices into cars?

 

[moona11]

Here we go again.

 

[lklawson]

Do not get wireless keys for your car!

Not really an option any longer.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[lklawson]

Well didn't Biden say he wants a breathalyzer in all new cars here soon enough?

I don't think it was specifically Biden. It's the new "Infrastructure" bill.

Quote from a Motortrend article:

While there are no specifics, the mandated technology in future models 2026 and beyond needs to "passively monitor the performance of a driver of a motor vehicle to accurately identify whether that driver may be impaired."​

[...]​

General Motors, BMW, and Nissan have already started installing infrared cameras that monitor driver behavior. These cameras track driver attentiveness and use semi-automated driver-assist systems. Making sure drivers keep their eyes on the road, they look for indications of impairment, drowsiness, or loss of consciousness. If any of these behaviors are detected, a warning alerts the driver and only escalates if said behaviors continue. Hazard lights come on, speed decreases, and the vehicle either comes to a halt or pulls over to the side of the road. ​

So lots of vagueness. What could possibly go wrong?

Off site link here:

Your Next Car Could Include Newly Required Drunk Driving Prevention Tech

The infrastructure bill includes $17 billion for auto safety—and has a new rule.

www.motortrend.com

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[1024Megabytes]

I don't think it was specifically Biden. It's the new "Infrastructure" bill.

As usual. They stuffed the trash into a 2,000 plus page bill hidden away so they could get it through. Makes me not want a 2026 or later car that spies on you all day and may possibly report you.

Edit: And I agree with you Lawson, they are putting crappy wireless keys in many new cars now. Money making scam for the car makers. Try and get a third key if possible if you buy a newer car. I almost always buy used cars. Only new car I ever bought cost about $13,500. Our Ford we just bought had close to 30,000 miles on the odometer when we purchased it.

 

[lklawson]

As usual. They stuffed the trash into a 2,000 plus page bill hidden away so they could get it through. Makes me not want a 2026 or later car that spies on you all day and may possibly report you.

It's worse than that. If the car decides you're "impaired," it actually pulls off the road and shuts down, or worse stops in the middle of the road (apparently).

Truthfully, I don't mind the idea of self-driving cars. I just want to have the option of driving it myself without the car's interference if I choose.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[MaryB]

"you have reached your mileage limit for the month, the car will pull over and shut down in 10 minutes..." trust me, for anything powered by fossil fuel it is what they have planned!

 

[RACHGIER]

It's worse than that. If the car decides you're "impaired," it actually pulls off the road and shuts down, or worse stops in the middle of the road (apparently).

Truthfully, I don't mind the idea of self-driving cars. I just want to have the option of driving it myself without the car's interference if I choose.

Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

There's no language to mandate what type of systems are used, only that they need to exist.

 

[1024Megabytes]

There's no language to mandate what type of systems are used, only that they need to exist.

Pay people to hack the new 2026 car safety systems to shut them off or tear them out of your car. Thank goodness for no safety inspections in my State.