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All our vets and LEO's retired and active duty. The Americans on this forum would like to hear your opinions on this attack on our freedom by Obumble and the gun grabbers attempt at banning our 2nd amendment rights.
So please let your voices be heard just like the Green Berets in this letter.

http://asmdss.com/page/news.html/_/articles/letter-from-special-forces-to-america-2nd-amendment.html

Thank you for your input and opinions as well as your dedicated service to this country and your fellow Americans .
 

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Don't be shy we are all Americans here tell us what you think none Military and LEO welcome too.
 

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I severed 9 years in the navy, my father severed in WWII, he was one of merriles marurders,myslef I think that guns don't kill people, the person that pulls the tigger kills people............I do support the mental health laws and tighter back round checks are needed. I think my father would feel the same way.
 

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I think all the proposed restrictions are only based on the fears of the government that there will be an armed uprising due to their inability to perform their duties as we the people see fit.

I feel if they spent as much effort and tax payer dollars on enforcing the laws that are already on the books it would be just as effective as wasting BILLIONS of dollars on new legislation that not only can they not enforce themselves, but more likely will NEVER be enforced by the LEO's they are placing the added burden on. They are spending BILLIONS of your money to tell you that you can no longer own your constitutionally guaranteed firearms because they are scared sh*tless that one day you are going to tell them to go f*ck themselves the same way we did to the King and Church of England when we founded this nation. Remember, one of this country's biggest reasons for being was illegal taxation without representation. Here you are watching YOUR tax dollars be spent lining the pockets of the same representatives who are now trying to illegally take away your right to bear arms.
 

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I'm recently retired from 35 years as a LEO with the last couple of years as Chief of my Department where I was responsible for approving or denying applications for all firearms permits. I am against all of the proposals that are being bandied about with the possible exception of the expanded background checks. The background checks may prevent a few unlawful sales but at the very least I don't think that they will cause any harm as long as it's implemented properly.
As we all know AR's and other "assault weapons", including my 4595ts, operate no differently than a typical hunting rifle. We think that the media and the public are targeting them because they look "scary" but I don't think that's the case at all. I believe that they do not understand firearms and they don't want to understand them either. This is simply their agenda and the truth doesn't matter to them. They are basing their judgements/decisions on emotions and not on logic or the reality of the situation.
Talking about banning high capacity magazines is plain stupid in my book. If I'm intent on doing harm all I have to do is stick a couple of more mags in my pocket and I'm set to go. Again, they do not want to know that their solution to the problem, banning the mags, does not work in real life.
The truth is that this is not a gun problem at all, this is solely a mental health issue. If you are capable of taking the life of an innocent person then there is something obviously wrong with you. I have a list of researched incidents of mass killings and school violence worldwide over the past number of years and in EVERY instance the perpretrator was on mental illness medications. If I can figure out how to post the link here I will do it. I have sent this list to my State Reps and I am arranging for a joint meeting with them and several other gun clubs in our area. Maybe a thoughtful and respectful exchange will be able to sway our legislators, after all, they're the the ones who will be making the decisions.
In closing, we all know that the bad guys will always have guns so all this uproar will no effect on them at all. It will effect every law abiding gun owner and I do not want to be held responsible for other people's actions.
 

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That link has already been posted here.
 

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Maybe it's time for the manufacturers to make all these weapons in any colour but black.

Do away with black except for military weapons only.

Blue for police.

etc., etc....

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MY OPINION ! As a 25 + year LEO..... these gun banners are having a knee jerk reaction. They for what ever reason want to blame the object. They dont want to to place the blame where it lays. WITH THE PERSON OPERATING THE OBJECT!
Its easier for them to blame the object than it is to admit that they have failed at the real point. They have failed to prevent people who shouldn't have access to firearms from getting the firearms.
I you cant blame the drunk driver from getting drunk to start with, blame the car maker for providing the car.

Hows that working for us?
Again this is MY personal opinion.
 

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My letter to McCaskill (yea, she's one of mine).

It is nice to see the President enjoying the sport of skeet shooting and his support for hunters and sportsmen is laudable but I am neither a hunter nor a sportsman. I am however a gun owner. As it is my right, guaranteed to me by the 2n Amendment to the Constitution of the United States of America, I own weapons for safety. I find it odd how the President is so adamant about the rights of hunters and sportsmen but seems to push aside the fact that the 2 nd Amendment does not address either of those activities. It does however protect the rights of the citizens to bear arms. It doesn’t specify a particular type of weapon nor does it insinuate that those weapons are for hunting or sport. My weapons are for the defense of myself and my family. We practice with them to allow ourselves to be proficient and to lessen the likelihood of harming someone who is not the intended target. I hear how the dreaded “assault weapon” is only made to do one thing and that is to kill. Well yes but in all fairness that is kind of the point of any weapon. It is also insinuated that the “assault weapon” is for killing in mass. Well let’s take a look at that. The worse school massacre in U.S. history only had 1 shot fired. Killing in mass has more to do with accessibility to people who cannot defend themselves, time and desire to cause mass casualties. The tragedy at Sandy Hook could have just as easily been carried out with a Glock 36 and a bag full of 6 round magazines. Why? Because the 3 criteria I just mentioned were met. Once inside the school the shooter had ample time, no one to counter him and an obvious determination to kill as many innocent people as possible. The proposed weapons ban would have done absolutely nothing to stop the carnage. What would have helped to prevent this? A school resource officer or armed and trained faculty and staff could have reduced the number of slain teachers and students significantly or perhaps completely. Since they are not willing to release information or video of the incident I cannot comment on entry procedures for the school but schools in general have glass exterior doors that, even when locked, provide no security measure to an intruder willing to enter at any cost.

Pushing an agenda through utilizing the fears of the people is in itself a tragedy as it gives a false hope to those who have a genuine concern and are willing to believe what their government is telling them is the answer. You and I both know it is not the answer but that hasn't stopped you from capitalizing on the incidents of gun violence that give a false justification to your desire to restrict the rights of the people to weapons. The deaths by hand guns in cities like Chicago, Kansas City and Detroit largely go unannounced by you because it shows the true problem with guns. Criminals will disregard every law and restriction you put in place to commit their heinous crimes. The laws, regulations and restrictions will do nothing but limit the ability of the law abiding citizen to protect themselves and further degrade the 2nd Amendment.


Mr. President,


You are the President Of The People not over them. It is not up to you to decide what part of an Amendment you want to curtail to suit your wants and desires. They are placed on that sacred piece of parchment to protect us from tyranny and anyone who tries to take them from us is by definition a tyrant. Chose your path wisely because your actions today will have a direct effect on the Democratic Party in the future.
 

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I have seen what happens to people unable to protect themselves. These are nothing but feel good, knee jerk reactions to an incorrectly identified problem.

1. Enhanced background checks - This has to be one of the most ignorant things I have heard. The criminals are not purchasing via FFL's, they are buying them off the street from other criminals who steal them. Making John Q. Public go through an FFL and pay to transfer or sell a firearm to a family member or friend will do nothing to stop criminals from getting firearms.

2. "Assault Weapon Ban" - These alleged assault weapons are simply semiautomatic sporting rifles that look scary because they are black and have been portrayed in movies as all powerful killing machines. They are used in only a very minimal amount of crimes and are rarely encountered by LEO's on the street. Criminals, gangs, etc., are not going to use a large black rifle when they can carry and use an easy to conceal handgun.

3. Mental Health - I agree that mental health needs to be fixed in this country, but I disagree with any mental evaluations to be able to purchase or own a firearm. I have never met any psychologist that was not half nuts themselves. Who sets the criteria and how do you keep liberal left shrinks from pushing their own agenda? This is way to open to abuse.
 

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Army vet, and I am 100% in agreement with that Special Forces letter, be it fake or real. The gov't is absolutely taking more power than they should, absolutely NOT representing Americans as a group, but only smaller special interest factions instead, they are spending far too much money to do the things they should NOT be doing, infringing or trying to infringe too many rights; and absolutely making things worse for this country while lying through their teeth as they are telling people they are trying to make it better.

As far as I am concerned, there is NO way the leaders and proponents of these bans, financial idiocy, and social policy making are stupid enough to believe the BS they are getting the sheeple to believe. If they ARE that stupid, then they need to be thrown out of office as incapable of doing their job. If they are that SMART, they need to be thrown in jail as traitors, as they are intentionally destroying America.

I believe they are simply doing what they are asked to do to please the folks paying them the most, and to curry favor with their masters, whether that is the leaders of their parties, the socialist or communist buddies of those leaders, or some shadowy conspiracy theory world order of folks running things, I don't care, I will leave that determination up to the individual, and hopefully, history.
 

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I got this in an email today

Only FDR has served more than two terms as President of The United States… but that could change with the introduction of H.J. Resolution 15.

New York Democrat Representative, Jose Serrano last week introduced a piece of legislation aimed at “an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President.”

All past efforts to repeal the 22nd Amendment have failed, but we believe this time it could be different due to an unprecedented economic force that’s underway right now.
Obumbler wants to become king forever and destroy our country, impeach him now while we still have our country!
 

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Only FDR has served more than two terms as President of The United States… but that could change with the introduction of H.J. Resolution 15.

New York Democrat Representative, Jose Serrano last week introduced a piece of legislation aimed at "an amendment to the Constitution of the United States to repeal the twenty-second article of amendment, thereby removing the limitation on the number of terms an individual may serve as President."
There has been one of these introduced quite often in the past, but only this time is it truly scary.:(
 

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There has been one of these introduced quite often in the past, but only this time is it truly scary.:(
When I read it, it scared me this time. I know it's been tried before, but it never worried me until this time. So I thought I would bring it to everyone's attention so they could see what could become the worst thing to happen to this country hasn't happened yet but it could be on its way faster than we think.:(
 

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It would have to be pass both Houses of Congress by a 2/3rds majority and ratified by 3/4ths of the States.
 

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Personally investing many dedicated Years into both, it disgusts me to see so many elected officials dictate that law enforcement stop crimes, that is impossible. attempting to convince the public of this while knowing it is false, is an attempt to create an idea of socialism called police state. Law enforcement will ALWAYS show up after you have been threatened, assaulted or killed! Never forget this as they tell you otherwise! The extortion and manipulation of thoughts, emotion and ideas, they will take free will and transform humanity into property if they tell you it's for the greater good.

You never give up ANY Right, even if you have never used it, and feel you have no need for it. It is there because someone needed it, someone defended their life and humanity and free will with it, and if you give it up because you don't need it, it will be exploited.

Personally, it sucks people are protesting on a state level, the actual physical influence is saddening. Do you have any idea how far our forefathers were willing to travel on foot and horseback?! To fight for basic human rights! With enough money to put food in their pack is all they needed. +Million man march on the big W, that would be real American spirit.
 

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ArmyScout said:
It would have to be pass both Houses of Congress by a 2/3rds majority and ratified by 3/4ths of the States.
ArmyScout said:
It would have to be pass both Houses of Congress by a 2/3rds majority and ratified by 3/4ths of the States.
... Obama got about 70% vote from both minorities and our youngest generation of voters, not even close in others. his immigration reform would give 11 million illegal immigrants citizenship, 11 million illegals already unemployed or paid under the table, claiming unemployment, welfare and food stamps, free ride. Yea, he already has their vote.
It is your obligation as an American citizen to connect the dots, especially if you're told they never will be. Im sure a majority of our new generation realistically have no idea how many people have died so they have the freedom to not care, to think they don't "need" a say in their government, it will gladly be taken away.
 

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Personally investing many dedicated Years into both, it disgusts me to see so many elected officials dictate that law enforcement stop crimes, that is impossible. attempting to convince the public of this while knowing it is false, is an attempt to create an idea of socialism called police state. Law enforcement will ALWAYS show up after you have been threatened, assaulted or killed! Never forget this as they tell you otherwise! The extortion and manipulation of thoughts, emotion and ideas, they will take free will and transform humanity into property if they tell you it's for the greater good.

You never give up ANY Right, even if you have never used it, and feel you have no need for it. It is there because someone needed it, someone defended their life and humanity and free will with it, and if you give it up because you don't need it, it will be exploited.

Personally, it sucks people are protesting on a state level, the actual physical influence is saddening. Do you have any idea how far our forefathers were willing to travel on foot and horseback?! To fight for basic human rights! With enough money to put food in their pack is all they needed. +Million man march on the big W, that would be real American spirit.
I'm not giving up ANYTHING that more great men than I can count died to protect.

Your absolutely right out a 100 violent crimes committed maybe 1 of those MAYBE 1 is lucky enough to be foiled by police presence! We call law enforcement after the fact. That's why we need to be armed and ready to protect ourselves till back up can be notified and arrive.

I wonder how hard it would be to organize a REAL American man march! Would the media destroy it before it got started, since we all know the media is a tool for the government to use to manipulate the population. I've got some family with some free time that might be willing to come up with idea's to make it possible. I just hope if it could be done the American people would stand up together just this once.
Once would be all I takes.

Unlike those occupy wallstreet and LA protests, we would need actual solutions to the problems not just statements of the obvious.
We know the problems! Now we need solutions. We just have to do it together like our forefathers did. United we stand! Well the time is coming we need to stand together before its too late.
 

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