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Have you contacted your state reps. as well as your congressmen/senators for help in getting this thing killed...especially if you live in one of the first 11 states to be effected by it as I do?
 

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This 'bill' has been panic buyer fuel for over a year without anyone to give it a spark. It's been a dead bill to every state senate it has been debated in. Most states cite that it doesnt keep the crime from occuring, that it woulkd takre exhaustive labour that states cannot spare, that it wuld require an entire re-work to existing retail licencing and that the technique has never been proven and serializing only works if EACH BULLET is recorded by the shipper, retailer, and then the police and THEN by the homeowner. then they have to share THAT info with other LEO's.

This bill is stillborn no marrer what state it hits. Failed AZ horribly. But, panic extremists keep bringing it up because it's a creepy campfire story that can get people to panic and buy more hideously overpriced ar15's.

I am all about open communication to your representatives, but don't lose sleep over it.
 

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may i suggest the Black Market?
Before we start suggesting actions that endorse even potetially illegal behaviour, realize the reaity that over a dozen stated of various political leanings have shot it down. In Arizona, the Democrat AG Terry Goddard said more police on the street and better training will go further to stop crime before it happens with better financial return than this 'pork project'
 

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may i suggest the Black Market?
Before we start suggesting actions that endorse even potetially illegal behaviour, realize the reaity that over a dozen stated of various political leanings have shot it down. In Arizona, the Democrat AG Terry Goddard said more police on the street and better training will go further to stop crime before it happens with better financial return than this 'pork project'
Wow, I always did like Arizona and now I find that they have an AG with smarts.
 

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Its going to be way to hard for them to get anything like this to pass anytime soon....Maybe the people wanted change and thats why we have a very anti-gun president and govt right now...but the people will not allow this to happen even if they voted for the guy...its just too much money out of our pockets and as we can see in other countries like Australia, it only leads to more crime and more serious crimes...like a thriving black market where people can buy and sell whatever they want.

Just make your voice heard! We are the "silent majority"!
 

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+1 on that, It would hurt all involved with the firearms industry which would mean jobs and I dont think the Pres wants that on his hands anytime soon.
 

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+1 on that, It would hurt all involved with the firearms industry which would mean jobs and I dont think the Pres wants that on his hands anytime soon.
Not just the firearms industry:

-You would have to allocate LEO's and civilian auditors to manage the information, as well as IT engineers to design an entirely new system to manage and share the data. That could EASILY end up costing tens to hundreds of millions of dollars PER STATE. In an era when most states are trying to keep basic services going, this is not something they're going to do now no matter what. Even in "good times" most states would see this as a massive investment that would only see use AFTER the crime is committed, and that is bad crimefighting. The idea is to stop the incident before someone gets hurt. After the fact doesn't do jack.

-Each retailer would need to be brought online to manage this new system. That means new equipment and software for EACH retailer, additional training for each employee, a new state approved certification for those trained and permitted on the new system, and of course new taxes to pay for all of this. The burden of the tax would fall on the retailer, and then would be passed onto the consumer. Retailers hate extra taxes because it makes their end product more expensive without return to them, and consumers dislike high prices for obvious reasons.

-If one state adopts it, and a neighbouring state who is a strong trade partner does not....how do you regulate it? For example, Nevada depends heavily on Arizona for industrial goods (Computers, aircraft, etc) and Arizona depends on Nevada tourism and revenue (Vegas tourists often come to Arizona as well, and as was said before: Breweries, distilleries and mechanical companies in Arizona make good trade with Casinos in Vegas). If ammo started being shipped from Arizona to Nevada, and Nevada had an ammo coding bill, you would have to set up checkpoints to check ALL SHIPMENTS coming into the state!! And, for two states that have a great relationship, that could put political and economic strain on two regions. And, if you have TWO states bordering one ammo coding state, the problem quickly gets out of hand!! LEO's of the non-coding states aren't going to use the ammo coding systems, so they're in the dark information-wise.

-What if you code ammo for .38 special revolvers, and it is used in a crime. Police then cross reference the person who bought it and search for the .38 revolver. They don't find one. They do find a .357 Magnum, but pass it up...because it's not a .38!!! Can and probably would easily happen with this new system. Just because the ammo coded is a certain type of caliber doesn't mean that it must be fired from that weapon! Nagant Revolvers that can fire THREE types of ammo are another perfect example. Technically impossible to trace a bullet if the gun that fired it does not exist. You cannot charge someone with a murder or attack without the weapon in question or physical proof that a weapon of that type was used by that particular aggressor.

And that's just SOME of the logistical problems! This is ONE gun control bill that has no hope of passing, and even if one state was idiot enough to try it, it would be a failed project much like the few state in the 1960's who tried forcing consumers to register video cameras after the anti-war protests of the era.
 

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I'm sure glad to know so many think this is a dead issue. I never dreamed I would live to see the "remaking" of America that is going on now...and I can't take anything for granted. That's partly how we got where we are now. Dead issue or not,another one in the brain won't hurt.
 
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Another reason to renew your NRA membership (or get one if you don't have one), and to buy more guns and more ammo.

For Christmas I bought a number of my friends memberships to the NRA. I felt it was a great gift and all of them liked it.
 

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i AM WRITING BLIND AS SOME THING IS WRONG ON COMPUTER.THAT AMMO BILL IS A SCAM BY TWO MEN WHO HAVE AN IDEA BUT NO ABILITY TO MAKE IT REAL.THEY WANT SOME STATE TO VOTE IT IN AND PAY FOR THE DEVELIPMENT.ITS AMATTER OF NOT WORKING BECAUSE NO AMMO COMPANY CAN DO IT.
 
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