Discussion in '2nd Amendment' started by FLA2760, Jan 25, 2008.

  1. FLA2760

    FLA2760 Guest

    I got this from USConcealed Carry.

    I am one of those people who you loathe. One of those invisible people who come into your living room without asking your permission. One of those people who follow you while you shop, and make it harder for you to make legal purchases. One of those people who try and tell you how to raise your children, as if you don't know how. One of those who gives ratings to stations that promote our demise as a free nation. I am your enemy. Or at least I was.

    I followed it all, all of the propaganda, all of the hoopla. Believed it too. Believed that leaving my house was more dangerous than being in a war. At any given moment one of you evil gun owners would open fire on me. I saw the NRA stickers, the Gun owners of America stickers on the cars that passed, and I thought you were all fools. I did everything in my power financially to try and help more laws pass that would prevent you from owning guns. I wholeheartedly believed that only the Police, and Military should have guns. Every time I heard of a gang shooting, or other criminal act committed with a gun, I honestly believed that if we could curtail the legal sale of guns, we could make a difference.

    Boy was I wrong.

    I have children, three actually, and to me the only thing more important than raising them properly, was seeing that they aren't hurt in anyway. I wanted to ban guns, save my children, save all children. No child should have to be part of any kind of death, especially the kind that involves being shot. I gave money to all of the anti gun organizations I could think of, went to the "Million" Mom March, even looked at Rosie when she spoke, and actually admire her. Brought the kids as well, and even yelled some not so nice things to those other marchers. I'm sure some of you know who I refer to.

    I was on my way back from the march, on my way back to Connecticut, when I stopped off of the highway at a rest stop by one of those McDonalds they have off I-95. By this time I had dropped off two of my kids with their father, and only had my little one with me. I went into the restroom with her, and on my way out noticed two men hanging out by my car. There were only two other cars in the lot at the time that were anywhere near my vehicle. I immediately felt threatened by their demeanor, but continued on to my car. The smaller of the two approached me with a knife as I was about to open the door to put my child in her car seat. He yelled at me to get in the back of the car, they were taking me for a little ride. I obviously told them to just take my keys, they could have the car, but they insisted I get in the back. I then heard a man yelling something I don't quite recall, and saw him running towards me with a gun in his hand. The two men vanished into their car, and sped away. I stood there frozen in time, and by the time the gentleman with the gun got to me I just broke down and cried.

    To make a long story short, you were all right, and I'm sorry. This man with a gun saved me, and I just keep thinking if I had gotten my wish and guns were banned, there is no telling where I'd be, and what would've happened to my daughter. The only regret I have is not getting the man's phone number who saved my life. I thanked him over and over again, and told him that he saved me, but he calmly said to me something I'd never forget. He said "That's what people like me are here for Ms., and I'm happy to have been able to help."

    "That's what people like me are here for," those words keep on running through my head everyday. Maybe this gentleman by some chance is part of your group, and will read my message. If he does I would just like to say something to him, and to everyone else reading this note.

    Thank you for saving my life, and to the rest of you thank you for fighting for this man's right to protect me and my child. Tell him for me that I will no longer be part of the group who invades his home, and tries to tell him how to store his guns. Tell him I will never be part of any group who tries to make it impossible for him to buy his tool he used to save me. And tell him I will never again tell him how to raise his children properly, because obviously I was oblivious to the fact that responsible people such as him know how to raise their children better than I do. I did rectify that situation the other day; I bought a shotgun for home protection, and am in the process of getting my concealed permit. Next time I will be ready to defend myself, or others for that matter. Some of my friends think I'm crazy, but they try their best to understand. I just tell them that as soon as their child's life is put in jeopardy by some criminal with a weapon that they will understand, but until then don't tell me how to live my life. I've lost some friends, but surprisingly most of them understand. If not for this man I could very easily have been killed or raped, and my child could've been taken from me, so once more I need to say thanks for saving me, and with all sincerity to the rest of you, forgive me, for I have sinned.
  2. Awesome.

    Can you give the link? I'd like to try to get permission to use that.

  3. FLA2760

    FLA2760 Guest

    It was sent to me in an email so cut & paste away.
  4. Thayldt21

    Thayldt21 Senior Member Member

    What do you say to that.

    Maybe the founding fathers new what they were talking about.
  5. Jarhead1775

    Jarhead1775 Guest

    The problem is too many people live inside that safe box. (it will never happen to me) They follow their liberal idols and support them. Until the day it does happen to them or someone close. Crimes don't only happen in poor ghetto's but everywhere. Its a sad reality. Hope she joins the NRA.

    SHOOTER Z Well-Known Member

    I'm glad she saw the light and she and her little one came out unharmed. Her Guardian Angel was certainly there that day.
  7. Every now and then one of "THEM" sees the light ;)
  8. Strangerous

    Strangerous Member

    Now she's one of us! one of us! I'm glad she's alright, and even though i don't wish harm upon anyone ('cept Hitlary Clinton) I do hope a similar incident or "life experience" happens to the gun grabbers.

    I learn from other people's mistakes, their experiences, and their good choices. My reasoning is simple, it's almost identical to why we use crash test dummies instead of live humans.
  9. glad it worked out for her now if the rest would just understand that we are not all iresonsible gun toting rednecks they need to learn that no matter what every goup of people are gonna have a few bad apples in the mix. If u want to know my opinion i thin that there are some idiots out there that shouldnt be allowed to own guns but i also belive that is not up to me or anyone else to tell them what they can or cant do. Anyways back on subject i am glad that someone was able to save her and i am glad she was willing to look at the other end of the spectrum of fireams ownership.
  10. (it will never happen to me)

    famous last words........
  11. I don't want to sound rude, but this reads like a Wayne LaPierres wet dream. I sincerely hope that it's a true story and written in her own words. All our our SD, CC, OC, arguments wrapped up perfectly in eight concise paragraphs. Maybe I'm jaded, but this just seems almost too good to be true. Unarmed, anti soccer mom type on a routine lunch stop almost gets jacked. But here comes the armed citizen doing what we already know is right. She has the "perfect epiphany" and is now gun ho. Maybe it's me, maybe I just read it wrong, or I'm reading too much into it. Sorry if I am.
  12. Thanks for posting EE, you nailed it.

    It came from a pro-carry site with no further attribution. No mention of where this was first published, police involvement, actual date or location are accurately given. I'd like to be able to check the veracity of this in detail, but there's not enough detail. Some things sound too good to be true because they are. I'm afraid that if we use this as an example proving our point of view it will turn out to be fiction.

  13. Kelotravolski

    Kelotravolski Member


    Call me a cynic but this sounded scripted. Maybe I am wrong, I hope I am wrong but for it to come out like it did where it did in the manner it came out it seems a little off to me. If it is real I would love for this woman to try to get some news time. This thing would be great for us.

    When I talk to anti's I find it helps calm them down out of their raving state if you say something like; "If I gave you one of my guns you would not suddenly become a killer, robber, or other criminal." I don't know what it is but it seems to calm them down. Maybe it is a realization that the gun does not turn you into a killer. Or maybe they like the idea of getting a gift in general but I have never had a poor reaction when I used that line. (who can be mad at the guy who is hypothetically giving you a several hundred dollar gift?)
  14. Uraijit

    Uraijit Guest

    Ernie, I saw it that way too.
  15. Lashlarue

    Lashlarue Guest

    Truth is almost always stranger than fiction!
  16. Uraijit

    Uraijit Guest

    Yeah, and this one was a little too Nice 'N' Neat...
  17. It could be made up, but it still can't hurt our side.

    Here's one that's definitely true:

    Anti-gun politician switches sides after being made victim in mugging

    By Chad D. Baus

    Cleveland Plain Dealer columnist Philip Morris is reporting that State Rep. Michael DeBose, a Cleveland Democrat who has a solid history of anti-gun votes in the Ohio legislature, has changed his mind in the wake of a violent robbery attempt near his home.

    The op-ed begins with this:

    It's funny how a gun can in stantly change your perspective on things, make you wish you could rewrite history.

    State Rep. Michael DeBose, a southside Cleveland Democrat, discovered this lesson the night of May 1, when he thought he was going to die. That's the night he wished he had that gun vote back.

    While I am more than encouraged by Rep. DeBose's change in perspective, there is a question that must be asked.

    Why? Why, with all of the mountains of testimony legislators heard, and presentations of evidence legislators received about the urgent need to restore the right to bear arms for self-defense, did it take a violent attack on his own person before Rep. DeBose could see the light? How many thousands of other people were made victims because of anti-gunners in the decade of debate over concealed carry in the Buckeye State?

    Before anyone decides I'm being too hard on our new friend Rep. DeBose, let me offer full disclosure. Before an armed carjacker attacked my wife's father - a concealed handgun permit-holder from Tennessee - I was of the same mind DeBose was - well, sort of.

    No, I was never, ever anti-gun. But I was also by no means an advocate for the right to carry, nor had I taken any steps to protect myself or my loved ones from a potential attack. Not until my father-in-law was forced to defend himself from a teenager armed with a stolen firearm, and wanted for homicide, was I forced to confront the fact that had it happened to me, I would have been killed, or would have been unable to protect my wife.

    Whether quirk of human nature or a product of American culture, we are all to quick to convince ourselves that "it will never happen to me". But as Rep. DeBose found out the hard way on May 1, it can:

    It was late, but DeBose, 51, was restless. The ordained Baptist minister knew his Lee-Harvard neighborhood was changing, but he wasn't scared. The idle, young men who sometimes hang out on his and adjacent streets didn't threaten him.

    He is a big man and, besides, he had run the same streets before he found Jesus - and a wife. That night, he just needed a walk.

    The loud muffler on a car that slowly passed as he was finishing the walk caught his attention, though. When the car stopped directly in front of his house - three houses from where he stood - he knew there was going to be a problem.

    "There was a tall one and a short one," DeBose said, sipping on a McDonald's milkshake and recounting the experience Friday.

    "The tall one reached in his pocket and pulled out a silver gun. And they both started running towards me."

    "At first I just backed up, but then I turned around and started running and screaming."

    Morris goes on to recount how DeBose was chased by the armed "boy", who was eventually scared off when DeBose managed to draw the attention of neighbors by banging on a neighbor lady's door.

    The loud muffler sped off, and DeBose started rethinking his gun vote.

    DeBose twice voted against a measure to allow Ohioans to carry concealed weapons. It became law in 2004.

    DeBose voted his conscience. He feared that CCW permits would lead to a massive influx of new guns in the streets and a jump in gun violence. He feared that Cleveland would become the O.K. Corral, patrolled by legions of freshly minted permit holders.

    "I was wrong," he said Friday.

    "I'm going to get a permit and so is my wife.

    "I've changed my mind. You need a way to protect yourself and your family.

    "I don't want to hurt anyone. But I never again want to be in the position where I'm approached by someone with a gun and I don't have one."

    Many others, at the moment they are made victims of violence, have the same realization Rep. DeBose had. Tragically, however, they don't always live to get a second chance. Rep. DeBose has been blessed not only with the gift to keep on living, but with an opportunity to make up for his votes against the right to choose to bear arms for self-defense.

    And he's making up for lost time - echoing some of the exact same arguments I'm certain he's heard from constitients he formerly shunned:

    DeBose said he knows that a gun doesn't solve Cleveland's violence problem; it's merely a street equalizer.

    "There are too many people who are just evil and mean-spirited. They will hurt you for no reason. If more people were packing guns, it might serve as a deterrent.

    "But there obviously are far deeper problems that we need to address," he added...

    Columnist Philip Morris concludes with this:

    "They say the definition of a conservative is a liberal who has been mugged. DeBose's CCW application will bear some witness to that notion."

    The volunteers at Buckeye Firearms Association look forward to working with Rep. DeBose, and with any other urban politicians who have, until now, taken the same "it won't happen to me" approach to gun rights as he and I once made the mistake of doing.

    Together, we can truly take steps to protect our most vulnerable citizens.
  18. Ah, now that's a good story. I've read that one in various publications and it's verifiable too from what I've been told.
    I wish the world was a "happy fun land" where there was no need for firearms except to hunt and target shoot. BUT, we know better don't we? As the article stated, it's unfortunate that he had to be almost killed before waking up to the fact that SD with a firearm is a necessary thing. Sometimes it takes a 2x4 to wake these folks up!
  19. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Did anyone ever manage to Urban Legend verify the OP?

    Peace favor your sword,