Any Discussions on a HiPoint 223/556 Carbine???
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The question gets asked here occasionally, especially in "the official wish list" thread.
The short version is that 5.56/.223 wouldn't work well with Hi Point's strong suit, the Simple Blowback (think of it as "Mass Delayed Blowback") and the market is already saturated with low cost Direct Impingement ARs.
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The short version is that 5.56/.223 wouldn't work well with Hi Point's strong suit, the Simple Blowback (think of it as "Mass Delayed Blowback") and the market is already saturated with low cost Direct Impingement ARs.
Peace favor your sword,
Kirk
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Hadn’t thought about the blowback feature of the current carbines, I wonder how a .223 would do? What’s the difference in energy between a .223 and a .40???
As far as zamak, I can see where a little more strength might be need but if they made a .223 receiver they might as well make it to hold a 30rnd mag too.
anyway, food for thought. I’m sure some HP rep shows up here from time to time so maybe it’s something they could kick around.
As far as zamak, I can see where a little more strength might be need but if they made a .223 receiver they might as well make it to hold a 30rnd mag too.
anyway, food for thought. I’m sure some HP rep shows up here from time to time so maybe it’s something they could kick around.
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An AR-15. Because that's as close as you'll ever get to one.
I'm just happy to have one in 45acp.
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Pressure is about 35,000 psi, vs 55,000, so the difference is about 20,000 psi, or about 57% more kaboom in the 223.
Energy is about 450-500 ft lbs in the 40, versus 1,000 to 1,400 in the .223, or about 65% more oomph at the muzzle.
A “little more” strength? Ummmm….yeah, sure…..that’s right.
As for 30 round mags….they haven’t been able to make 12 round mags work in a gun yet; at least not to sell. Someone else had to design the 20 rounder.
Don’t hold your breath, brother.😉
What about 30/30? And a banana clip.
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At over 50,000 psi…I doubt it.
The problem is not the strength of the bolt, chamber, or receiver, but with the brass casing, which is the weakest link, and what happens when you fire the thing. When you fire a round the brass expands in the chamber, but it is the chamber and breach face that keeps the brass from blowing up until the bullet leaves the barrel and the pressure drops to a safe level and the case can be extracted.
While most firearms have some sort of locking mechanism to hold the breach and barrel together until the bullet is out of the other end of the barrel, a simple blowback gun relies on having a heavy bolt to slow things down, where a higher powered cartridge will require a heavier bolt, which can be done on some designs, but you'll find yourself with something that is impractically heavy. I'm sure you know someone who considers the weight of a Hi Point to be excessive since they don't understand the basic operation and why it is what it is.
FWIW, among the things that always comes up in the Ruger forums is the desire for a PC Carbine in 10mm, but the problem is the receiver on the things is too small to put a heavy enough bolt in it for the higher pressure cartridge.
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The length of the cartridge might make it incompatible with the x95TS design.If not in 223/556, then maybe .30 carbine??? IMO 30 carbine needs to be resurrected to a more popular status, just to bring down the cost of ammo for my M1
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EVERYTHING about the 30 carbine is incompatible with the HP carbines’ designs. Length, velocity and potential bolt thrust and all the other things involved. Except maybe pressure…that’s not too bad.
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I hear the distant sound of…KABOOM!
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Not exactly accurate.
Dimensionally the 10mm will fit (as will the 45 ACP). But Ruger has no plans to make them. The response I got back from Ruger when I asked the question was it would be "impractically heavy". The Hi Point 9mm carbine weighs 7 pounds, the 10mm version is almost a pound heavier.
The Ruger PC Carbine is only a couple ounces lighter, and both the Hi Point and Ruger pistol caliber carbines are heavy. Compare them to the 30 Carbine mentioned earlier. It weighs just over 5 pounds.
Ruger did say there was a lot of customer interest in a 10mm carbine. Just maybe they can come up with a delayed blowback or something. Wonder how their 1911 10mm sales are doing?
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My moms husband has his dad’s commercial Universal M1 carbine, he was showing his guns to me….I had forgotten how light those things are.
Sweet little units, really.
It’s funny that the 10 mm is only listed at 33,000 PSI, while the 30 carbine is up at 40,000. Imagine what the 10 mm could do at that higher pressure! It would challenge the 460 Rowland in velocity, and could overlap a few of the lighter bullet loadings pretty well.
I honestly see no reason for the Ruger carbine to be overbuilt for 10 mm, other than stupid people reloads, and lawyers. Sad, really.
Sweet little units, really.
It’s funny that the 10 mm is only listed at 33,000 PSI, while the 30 carbine is up at 40,000. Imagine what the 10 mm could do at that higher pressure! It would challenge the 460 Rowland in velocity, and could overlap a few of the lighter bullet loadings pretty well.
I honestly see no reason for the Ruger carbine to be overbuilt for 10 mm, other than stupid people reloads, and lawyers. Sad, really.
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CMMG has been doing something interesting with their 9mm AR bolt systems... radial delayed blowback I believe its called? Perhaps it would be more useful for the 10mm round in an AR platform, or also, the .30 carbine round in said platform. As for 5.56 Hi Point. LOL NO. There's a glut of affordable ARs out there compared to PCCs. The only reasons PCCs are popular is because the pistol ammo is cheap and usually easier to find than rifle caliber ammo in the light of recent shortages
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I bought my Hi-Point purely because of the price of the ammo and the rifle. It is by far the cheapest centerfire rifle you can have. I already had a S&W AR 15 before I bought my Hi-Point carbine.CMMG has been doing something interesting with their 9mm AR bolt systems... radial delayed blowback I believe its called? Perhaps it would be more useful for the 10mm round in an AR platform, or also, the .30 carbine round in said platform. As for 5.56 Hi Point. LOL NO. There's a glut of affordable ARs out there compared to PCCs. The only reasons PCCs are popular is because the pistol ammo is cheap and usually easier to find than rifle caliber ammo in the light of recent shortages
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It’s feasible, but the rimmed round could cause problems with feeding from the mag.
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