I have been looking for something also. I do not have the money right now but I did see these.No one has any suggestions? That surprises me :blink:. I'm thinking of getting a Velocity. It doesn't have a bull barrell though. I can't find one with a decent bull barrel for less than $600 I have heard good and bad things about them, but it is in my price range and I think it will work for me.
What do you think of the Cenier? I have read good and bad things.One of the problems I have read about is that using your 223 upper with this kit to shot 22 will clog your gas tube over time. I have also read that accuarcy is not good.Eventually, I will have 3 ARs in my stable. At this time, I have one Cenier .22lr kit to use between the 3.
Thanks for the info.I have a Ceiner kit and love it. Haven't noticed any issues with the gas tube clogging (never cleaned more then spraying junk through it either with over 1k 5.56 through it and probably 3k .22). But you MUST clean the chamber after using it. The seal between the adapter and the chamber isn't perfect (good thing I suppose, less likely to wear), and all kinds of junk gets in there. The first few times I used it, I just threw my 5.56 bolt carrier back and and blasted away. Ended up with a case stuck in the chamber each time. My only real gripe is that the mags kinda suck to load (sharp edges, no hold down on the follower). I don't have any of them yet, but I understand several places (Black Dog Machining comes to mind) offer improved design magazines.
As far as accuracy of the kit, I can put 5 in a quarter at 50yds with it.
A couple of side notes...
It cycles 9 times out of 10 for me with Agiula (?) SSS subsonics, though I've been told that's unusually good.
The guy at the range I bought it from ordered one at the same time for his M-16. Not quite as impressive as 5.56, but only 30 cents a second. 8)
Thanks for the information and the pictures. I might get one of theses later instead of a complete upper.I have a Ciener kit that I run with Black Dog Machine (BDM) magazines. As long as you keep everything clean, polished, and lightly lubed, there should be no issues. Federal 550 bulk pack @ $14- makes for a cheap day of shooting!
I've added ten more BDM magazines to the collection since this picture was taken. I put the rifle together over time by hunting parts down over on AR15.com. Bushmaster lower, unknown flat top upper, 1/12 twist chrome lined USGI barrel and an NOS A1 butt stock.
I haven't put the rifle on a bench yet to see what it's capable of, but these groups were typical when fired at 25 yards while sitting on the ground using my knee as a rest.