OK, I know this is going to be controversial, but something came up on my Jeep forum and I thought I would get opinions here. First, I love old muscle cars, to me nothing will ever be as beautiful as a 69 440 six pack road runner or a 70 challenger TA (I like 3-2s and the six pack scoop ). But, when you look at 1/4 mile times, the new cars simply are FASTER STOCK than the old ones. I see the new ones kinda like a Hi Point, they get no respect - you gotta buy the high dollar rare ones or its just a piece of junk. I had people saying how slow the new Jeeps are and under powered with a 285 hp v-6. Yeah, it runs a 15 second flat 1/4 mile, but its weak.... So, here are some stats that line up with many of the old hot rod books back in the day and what my own cars did on the track, stock. 15 seconds flat was a 5.0 stang and was the race car of the 80s. See these lists: http://ericpetersautos.com/2011/10/11/muscle-cars-were-slow/ http://www.musclecarclub.com/musclecars/general/musclecars-50fast.shtml Now remember, I am comparing stock to stock. No slick, no open headers, no cam, no race gas and special tunes, etc. So, are peoples ideas of speed influenced by emotions and ignoring hard data like timeslips (ie the Kimber vs HiPoint comparison) or are the new ones dogs compared to the old ones?