Are you a Lifer or a Dabbler?

Discussion in 'Training' started by lklawson, Mar 13, 2018.

  1. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

  2. eldarbeast

    eldarbeast Supporting Member

    He's a Lifer, pray for him.
    Twenty-six years, and he's still in!

    Helpful eldar

  3. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    I had a few comments that I sent him:

    On the topic of "Lifer, Professional, Hobbyist, Dabbler" I enjoyed it
    and found it to be well thought out. That said, I want to challenge
    you on a facet which I didn't hear you touch on, though I know this is
    part of your personal life experience. You seemed to have approached
    the topic from that of a "shooter" or "gun person" where that is the
    top level concern. But for many, it isn't and guns & shooting are
    only part of the picture. Many people approach shooting and
    gun-handling skills as only one part a self-defense puzzle. In that
    light, there may be, and often are, other skills which rate higher.
    So while a person may be a "Lifer" at conceptual self defense, the
    requisite amount of "gun" in the picture may be quite a bit less than
    Lifer or Professional when stacked beside First Aid or some other

    For myself, I am a "Lifer" at Martial Arts. I find that the same sort
    of family of martial-related skills applies. While I may have
    multiple black belts in one art, a single black belt in another, an
    "Expert" rating in a third, and on and on, at some point other related
    martial disciplines become only part of the whole picture. I've found
    that this is common for a lot of martial artists, particularly those
    who are also self-defense people (there are all kinds of reasons
    beyond self-defense or even health to study martial arts). So while
    one person might be a Black Belt in Karate or a Mestre in Kali or
    Escrima, they might only be the equivalent of a "green belt" with
    firearms. And that works for them because they have decided that is
    the appropriate mix for their self-defense martial arts cocktail. I
    find it to be a little analogous to Okinawan styles of karate which
    only bring in kobudo (traditional weapons) after a certain level of
    training and usually don't pursue them as far as they could go. Thus
    a student could be a very highly ranked expert in that Karate system,
    but not have as much skill at [fill in the blank weapon] as someone
    who's art was specific to that weapon.

    Is that making sense?

    I think it is equally important to be able to teach firearms skills
    within that context as well.

    Peace favor your sword,
  4. DIRSUPop

    DIRSUPop Supporting Member

    He BORED me to death with his seemingly endless babble about the differences between .222, 5.56, & .223 who gives a damn! I was a "lifer" in the Navy - 20 years. I guess with respect to firearms I could be considered a "lifer" in that I've been shooting competitively since I was in junior high school, including with Navy pistol teams throughout my career, and continuing in the 34 years since I retired. Unlike today, during my career, qualifying Expert in rifle and pistol wasn't a one time thing. It was a multi-year effort before one was permitted to wear the "E" attachment on their ribbon. I guess my time in Vietnam could be considered competitive target shooting, but on a higher scale, since the targets often shot first, or shot back. All that said, the optimum self-defense, as Kirk indicates, is a balanced mix of disciplines, with levels of training in each to be sufficiently capable in each. Of course, it's a message for the young where they should have the foresight to accomplish it, as opposed to us "old guys" who simply have to dwell with the hindsight that we should have done it......
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  5. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    I'm a nerd so I enjoyed the history, though I was already familiar with most of it.

    He started it the previous podcast. He's doing a "caliber of the podcast number" segment.

    Peace favor your sword,
  6. ArmyScout

    ArmyScout Supporting Member

    I got my first gun when I was 12 and have had firearms ever since, so I guess I am a lifer. I tried to read Branam's article but also got bored.
  7. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

    NE Utah
    Made me laugh, even though it wasn't/isn't a laughing matter, it's straight up truth.;)
    I served with guys that were there, they always got respect by everyone around them. And God help any officer that thought he knew better...:rolleyes:
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