Well, not that I've been thrilled about one of the forums I was a member of, but the ModernVespa forum was, well, a forum for owners of Vespas made after the P/PX/PK era (that would be the 4 stroke automatic Vespas you see sold new nowadays) Now, I consider myself Liberal AND innovative at the same time. I cannot stand trends, fashion for the sake of fashion, or being seen for the sake of it. I enjoy hacking desktops with Linux protocols, making my own hardware and parts for various machines, making things do what they're not supposed to and eschewing people's ideas of what "should" be. This isn't what most trendwhores who buy Vespas like to hear because they spend most of their time trying to match their Italian shoes with the colour and texture of the saddle of their 4th or 5th NEW Vespa and the like.....which is what seems to be the current crop of "Modern" Vespa riders. Think owners of new Hummers vs. Vets who actually are able to afford a H1. The problem is that a Vespa to these folks means that you also own a mac, MUST spend $500 bucks on a pair of "Lucky" jeans because that is THE in thing in San Fransisco scooter clubs at the moment, and every other thread is about cooking shows or the Prius. Oh, and also insisting that I REALLY bought my bike for the looks and not for anything else no matter how much I dilluted myself (Because riding characteristics have NOTHING to do with a bike nor does the 70 year pedigree of motorcycling... of course) Narrow minded? Well, I'm all for eschewing the current worldview, but this was just downright ...special. I had been warned of my "disruptive" behaviour such as introducing politics (should Harleys be allowed in European-only bike rallys and such), my "Anti-Mac" attitude (since it seems that 4 of the admins worked for Apple), and my "aggressive" nature. Well, there was a simple thread about a guy who was hit by a driver who sped off, and his venting about it. Fair enough: Sucks to be him and that was hella dangerous. My suggestion on how he could've stopped it? CCW. Told him I carry, and in the city of Phoenix, it's really NOT a bad idea if you're a responsible citizen. I was told that this was the LAST straw :roll: ant that such "Disruptive, violent and reckless behaviour would not be tolerated." And that my statements were "Subversive and unacceptable in civil discussion", and was promptly banned for stating such an opinion. ALMOST makes me ashamed to be riding a Piaggio if this is the current rider market. Now I know how riders of Knuckleheads and R100 Bimmers feel :cry: The era of the sport of Motorcycling, I suppose, it at an end. Now I suppose it's only about looks and money. Used to be when I was a kid that Vespas were what the kids who were NOT rich rode. You'd buy an old PX for 200 pounds, get it to barely running condition, and ride to the punk shows in Glasgow or tear hell up around the Catholic side of town looking for the places that served minors so we could get trashed. Hell, my mum wasn't ALLOWED to date anyone driving a "tarted" up Lambretta or Vespa in the late 60's because of the "Mod" reputation! Now, they're being ridden by Rachel Rae fans who brag about their $200 Ugg boots and spend most of the time trying to figure out how to hook their iPhone up to charge it off the bike instead of riding 200 miles to see a show or putting in overtime to buy that new POC performance pipe to impress his mates. Sorry for the long rant. Just feel a bit disillusioned. Then again, it just may be over here....or the commercialization... Then again, perhaps I just need to find an old P200e and rebuild it again. Thanks for the space!