[battousai]

I am curious what is the argument between this two carbines? Throw out the cost of ammo. Which one is more powerful? Take out the tacticool part and just use the normal out of box parts. I am curious to know which one is better from a design standpoint.

I say all this because I am about to try a deep clean on my 995 and if that doesn't allow it to take hollow points then I may just send it into hi-point but would want to be a carbine for the interim and want to know what you all think. Also it opens up the door for the c-9 vs .40 debate. Please don't try to convince me which round is better I am just grading the firearms ability to work with what it has vs the other firearms ability.

 

[Sittn86]

Being that the designs are the same, the only debate left is which round is better.

 

[gtv]

Well, there is the fact that the 4095 uses the same magazine as the JCP, whereas the 995 does not use the same mags as the C9, so if you were interested in having two guns that could share ammo and magazines, that would make a difference.

 

[neothespian]

The difference is really in the caliber application:

The 995 uses the 9mm, and that round is cheaper and lighter.  It is also a more common (by slight) round for civil purchase. 

The 4095 uses the .40S&W, and while it has a larger "footprint" and mass, it also has a quicker drop-off rate and loses velocity faster.  Magazine compatiblity with the HP40 is also a plus.

I would say if you were worried about distance, you will probably get more range out of the 995 for *slightly* less overall.  I myself have got the 995 to perform 7/10 @ 300m.  For closer applications (less than 50m), the 4095 would be an excellent choice with it's larger footprint.  Two weapons for two different applications. 

 

[Stan in SC]

Neothespian,define your results "7/[email protected] 300M".

Stan in SC

 

[amf]

I like that the 4095 locks the bolt back after the final round.

 

[battousai]

I am not worried at all about distance or even distance shooting. I plan on putting a red dot on my 995. This spare one I purchase would have a red dot as well so I imagine I will never TRY to shoot further then 50 yards. But in all truth this rifle is a backup home defense or for an extreme scenario.

 

[Sin]

I remember reading that the newer 995 locks back when empty but I could be wrong, also I have a used 4095 waiting my payoff at a local shop and will comment further when able to shoot them side by side. But reading your post I would stay with the same caliber so you don't have to stock two different ammo's and when you buy a magazine it can work in both guns.

 

[Guest]

I like that the 4095 locks the bolt back after the final round.

I too am a fan of that function. I wish my 995 would lock back like that

 

[condition1]

4095 would be my choice. Overall better round. Lockback, share mags, all the things others have said. I also think there are fewer problems with the 4095 than 995. I posted a thread some time ago asking 4095 owners about any problems and IIRC there were 0 complaints. I've never had any trouble with mine.

 

[Jackpine Savage]

The 995 seems about 1/2 pound lighter and seems to kick a lot more than a 4095. We were shooting them side by side and to get them to the same level of recoil my friend had to put a slipon recoil pad on his 995. If your recoil sensitive go with the 4095. The only problem with either is they always seem to have just run out of ammo, kind of like big .22's.

 

[Seven©]

The 4095 uses the .40S&W, and while it has a larger "footprint" and mass, it also has a quicker drop-off rate and loses velocity faster.

Depends.

Compare the heaviest 9mm to the heaviest .40. Apples to apples.
The 147 gr. 9mm to the 180 gr. .40. At 100 yards the .40 has lost more velocity, but is still traveling at a higher fps velocity and lost a little less trajectory.

 

[Guest]

I remember reading that the newer 995 locks back when empty but I could be wrong, also I have a used 4095 waiting my payoff at a local shop and will comment further when able to shoot them side by side. But reading your post I would stay with the same caliber so you don't have to stock two different ammo's and when you buy a magazine it can work in both guns.

im not sure where you got your info but i bought my 995 about 5-6 weeks ago NIB and it doesnt lock back.