Break Cleaner or Ballistol for a long overdue cleaning?

Discussion in 'General Hi-Point Discussion' started by daveindenver, Feb 23, 2020.

  1. Bertus

    Bertus Member

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    Remember Dubar, your eye sight is not the best right now;) and the R51 is a big turd of a gun! :)
     
  2. Dubar

    Dubar Supporting Member

    Forget everything we've been told about cleaning your bores...here's the way to do it:

    https://a.msn.com/r/2/BB10qr1G?m=en-us&ocid=News

    They're finally cleaning up the guns from the USS Monitor over in Newport News (not Hampton). I need to get over there and see what's going on, haven't been in decades.

    LOL! Hopefully these new $$$ lenses will make see things in the proper light :yikes:
     
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  3. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Apparently your eyesight sucks worse. He wrote "R1" not "R51." The R1 is Remington's 1911 platform.

    Now we can go on to your inaccurate statements about the R51. If you can read it.
     
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  4. Dubar

    Dubar Supporting Member

    The R1 9mm was a beautiful pistol and the guy shooting it was steady Eddie, even drawing from the holster!

    Shame the R51 was/is a dud. I was thinking of getting that or the new Mossberg.

    I haven't heard too many bad or good things about the redesign of the R51.
     
  5. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    It's not.

    Mostly by people you shouldn't trust. A lot of them are YooToob <cough> "reviewers" looking to bolster their small credibility by "me too"-ing negative comments without actual experience.

    The Gen 2 R51 is a fine gun with a LOT of good things going for it. It has a few quirks which shouldn't cause anyone to not buy it. But it has been unable to shake off the negative community mindset of the first gen. Most of those badmouthing it simply don't have any reason to.

    I'd be glad to give you a run-down of both the advantages and its quirks if you'd like to make an informed decision.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  6. Dubar

    Dubar Supporting Member

    I think you're right about the Gen1 rep and Gen2 being thrown in with it.

    Didn't you say you have the new R51? Do you also have the Mossberg MC1sc (and now the MC2c)?
     
  7. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    I had both the Gen 1 and now have the Gen 2. It has a few quirks but nothing that should make it a pariah in the firearms world.

    I don't have the Mossberg but I think it's an innovative entry that really hasn't gotten its due. I think it looks like a worthy reentry to the handgun market for Mossberg.

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  8. ajole

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    I have the R51. Worst $200 gun I own, and I own a few.

    The grip safety bothers me after a few mags full. It just rubs the thumb and web of my hand.
    Hit or miss on whether the thing chambers the first round, from both closed or open slide conditions.
    Hard to seat a full mag on a closed slide, REALLY have to smack it.
    No more accurate than my PF-9, which always works and doesn’t rub my thumb raw, and the recoil isn’t that much less either, though the trigger is better.

    I would recommend....well, ANY other gun over the R51.

    Meanwhile, my RP9 is great.
     
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  9. GrumpyOlMan

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    One thing I've learned from years of rifle shooting (both competition and hunting) is Nothing takes out copper fouling better than household ammonia! That being said you have to follow it up fairly quickly with oil to neutralize it so it doesn't attack the bore. Carbon fouling should be scrubbed out with carb. cleaner again I'd follow it up with a good oil then a dry patch unless you're going to store it.
     
  10. papataylor

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    I could be getting you confused with IKLawson, as I know he bought one new back when they were released with me, but did you happen to get a gen2 or is this the gen1?

    I’ve had good luck out of my gen2 R51, it’s been reliable and is darn accurate. Even won an “Easter egg” shoot with it IMG_0732.jpg
     
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  12. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Speaking as a Mod here, please include a brief description of off-site links.

    Not speaking as a mod, well, that's a link to some corrosion resistance tests. There are a bunch of corrosion resistance tests running around out there. Heck, I did some myself.

    (off site links to corrosion resistance tests)
    http://cbd.atspace.com/articles/rustprotection/rust_protection.html
    http://cbd.atspace.com/articles/rustprotection2/rust_protection2.html
    http://cbd.atspace.com/articles/rustprotection3/rust_protection3.html
    http://cbd.atspace.com/articles/rustprotection4/rust_protection4.html

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  13. ajole

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    It’s a Gen 2. I’ve made some plinking loads I want to try in it, both to look at recoil, and to do more break in on the gun, I’ve only put about 100 rounds through it because it’s no fun to shoot. Gotta give it a fair chance, I guess. But even my Hi Points didn’t need that much break in to run right, and close on a full mag.
     
  14. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Be sure to plunk them. You know my experience with handloads. It's picky about the ogive and COAL.

    But with factory 115gr hardball and Hornady Critical Duty (124gr) it is 100%.

    I told you the "legs" on your follower are too long. Trim them down 1/16" or so.
    ref:
    http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/magazine-follower-legs/
    http://r51pistol.com/r51-general-discussion/closing-the-slide-on-seven-rounds-in-one-picture/

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
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  15. ajole

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    Trying to remember if I did that. I’ll look at it and see, thanks for the reminder.
     
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