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MY brother-in-law was shooting one of my C-9's today and on the 5Th round he fired in the last magazine he used there was a very bad sound. A small pop sound was made and the casing ejected. I was near him and told him to not try to fire another round. I took the gun, dropped the mag and made sure the chamber was empty then checked the business end of the barrel. About a half inch inside looking back at me was the lead that should have gone out of course.

I have not taken the gun apart to try and dislodge the bullet but was just checking first to see if anyone ever had this happen to them and what did they do? I checked the ammo he was using and it was reloads. Just a bad one in the lot I guess. He had shot 3 magazines of the same ammo with no feed or ejection problems already.

Not sure if allowed to give ammo load info here so I won't but I do have that info.

Any ideas or thoughts appreciated.
 

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Known as a squib round. Probably, only the primer went off (or it did not have enough or any powder).

Very unsafe condition, you did good in stopping him. A squib can cause a kaboom if the next round is fired.

A wooden dowel will be your friend here. Take off the slide and push it out the front if you can. If not, you can push it back into the chamber, but since you are going to be using some force, pushing it out the front is your best bet.

It happens, especially with relaods. They are NOT common but they can happen. I know of peoplethat ran Army ranges who only ever saw one their entire lives.

No problem once you get it out. Chaeck the barrel and if it looks good, you should be good to go.

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Jus ttake a wooden dowel about the same size as the bore and give her a good whack. i would not pull the slide off.. Go from the front and into the chamber.
 

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dowel, hammer, apply force. if it doesnt come out after a few good whacks, STOP! if you mushroom the bullet in teh bore youre screwed. at that point its best to send it in to the mothership and let them taek care of it.

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Jus ttake a wooden dowel about the same size as the bore and give her a good whack. i would not pull the slide off.. Go from the front and into the chamber.
That's what I did. No problem at all.
 

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Thanks for the input on the matter.I had him sold on getting a pair of 9's for himself and the wife then this happened. I did explain it was not the pistol but the round and he did understand. He was very much sold after hearing about the warranty HP has.

I did advise just stay with factory ammo unless he got into reloading or really knew who was loading the rounds he was shooting. In this case today he did not know the loader.
 

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When you buy someone else's reloads, it is really a crap shoot what you are going to get.
 

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That happend to me twice. The first time was when I first started reloading. Was shooting my Taurus 357 at an indoor range and I didn't have anything to remove the bullet. So, I asked the owner if he would remove it and he did. After he did he ended up giving me lecture on reloading and that if I don't know what I'm doing I shouldn't be reloading. I thanked the prick and went back to shooting. The second time it happend to me was when I was shooting military surplus ammo through my M44. Now if I could find the Ivan that produced this ammo I should give him a little lecture. Long story short, if the round sounds like it didn't ignite, stop and check for a squib.
 

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Good to hear you're okay and your pistol is undamaged.
I had this happen recently with some Wolf 9mm. I had 500 rounds factory sealed in plastic, so it was not messed with. Two rounds were squibs that did not eject with enough force to feed the next round. They left a bullet stuck in my M11/nine both times. I have a piece of steel rod that is taped so it is centered in the bore without touching the barrel I used to push them out with. Both of these happened while bump-firing so I'm lucky it didn't feed another round.


I know, I've posted many times that I don't hesitate to use Wolf and will always buy it if it's the cheapest available. I'll still do so, these are the only squib rounds I've ever had with this brand. I've had some other problems with some rounds, but it's still often quite a bit cheaper.

As always, you pay your money and you take your chances...I'll take mine.
 

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SIL had a reloaded 30-06 do that in his BLR. Good thing the bullet didn't go too far, as he tried to chamber the next round, but couldn't. If he had been able to, he would have pulled the trigger...$800+ worth of gun kaboomed to death... :'(
We had a long discussion about squibs after that... :cantlook:
 

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I've been thinking about this topic since I first saw it posted. Couldn't you McGuyver it and put Chewing gum or a pre-setup pencil eraser or some padding stuff of the firing pin to prevent the dislodged round from discharging? Just a thought, stop hitting me.
 

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Just to make sure we are on the same page...
the round DID fire, sort of. Enough so that the bullet left the cartridge, and entered the barrel. The cartridge case may or may not (usually not) eject.
So now you have a bullet lodged in the barrel.
The operator then says, hmm, nothing happened, and racks the slide as he's been taught to do, chambering another round, and if the bullet is far enough into the barrel, the next cartridge will chamber just fine...so when you pull the trigger on the NEXT bullet, the gun has serious issues, and the operator may as well...

But if you know about squibs, also called "pop, no BANG", then you say...hmm, something happened, but that wasn't right...so you clear the weapon by dropping the mag and racking the slide, lock the slide back, and visually check the chamber, and then the barrel, for obstructions.
 

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i was at the range one time when this happend to a guy with a glock but he didnt notice it because he was empting his mag it balloned the barrel enough that the slide was stuck in place i couldnt help but make fun of him
 

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That would be funny....but not really fair to make fun of the poor guy, as it was the ammo that caused it, and in a rapid fire mode, most wouldn't catch it... :blink:
well...not really fair unless he was reloading his own squibs... :devilsidesmile:
 

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Ajole you hit it right on the head. I did hear a pop, not a bang and knew something was wrong. Casing did eject fine. Yep, glad I was close and heard it for I think it might have gotten past my brother-in-law that was shooting the gun.

Have not tried to remove it yet. Too many thing moving into a new house and with a load of company the past 2 week-end . Will post on the removal process in a couple of days, as soon as I find my punches to remove the slide.
 
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