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Incrementalism in Action: Anti-Gun Governor Targets Lawfully Registered Firearms for Seizure | Buckeye Firearms Association

There are two absolutes in gun control strategy, and both were on display recently when Gov. Ned Lamont (D-CT) proposed to renege on a promise twice made to the state's law-abiding gun owners: that they could keep their newly-banned firearms if they registered them with the state.

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Incrementalism in Action: Anti-Gun Governor Targets Lawfully Registered Firearms for Seizure​

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7:00am Tuesday, December 20, 2022​

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There are two absolutes in gun control strategy, and both were on display recently when Gov. Ned Lamont (D-CT) proposed to renege on a promise twice made to the state's law-abiding gun owners: that they could keep their newly-banned firearms if they registered them with the state.​

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Connecticut has passed two bans on so-called "assault weapons," one in 1993 and then an expanded version in 2013.​

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Each time, the law affected common and popular semi-automatic firearms already owned by law-abiding residents of the state. And each time, the state assured those gun owners that their lawfully-acquired guns would be "grandfathered" under the law if the state were apprised of who owned them and where they were kept.​

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This led to the sad and ominous spectacle of gun owners who were under no individual suspicion of wrongdoing queing up to report their own identity and constitutionally-protected property to police. As a news report noted, "The application requires information such as the individual's name, address, telephone number, motor vehicle operator's license, sex, height, weight and thumbprint, as well as information about the weapon, including the serial number, model and any unique markings." It was eerily similar, in fact, to the information used when booking someone for a crime.​

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Meanwhile, some well-meaning but naïve gun owners thought they were simply doing their civic duty by complying with the mandate. "If they were trying to make them illegal, I'd have a real issue, but if they want to just know where they are, that's fine with me," one registrant told a local news station.​

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Readers of this website and other NRA publications knew better, however, as the Association has warned for years of the aforementioned absolutes: that gun control advances incrementally and that firearm registration leads to firearm confiscation.​

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Following a gubernatorial debate in November, Lamont told reporters: "I think those assault-style weapons that are grandfathered should not be grandfathered." He continued, "They should not be allowed in the state of Connecticut. I think they're killers."​

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Pressed for specifics on how he would go about enforcing his proposal or recovering the 81,849 "assault weapons" registered with the state, Lamont did not provide details. "Start by making them illegal," he said. "I think that would be a big difference. That is what you start with."​

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In other words, without any explanation of how his plan would work or promote public safety, Lamont is proposing to make tens of thousands of state citizens who complied in good faith with the registration requirements into criminals, with their guns summarily declared contraband and subject to seizure. To make matters worse, the authorities would already know who and where those citizens are.​

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Lamont ludicrously claimed that the grandfathered guns themselves are "killers," but he provided no evidence that their owners are. He did not cite statistics, or even examples, of lawfully registered "assault weapons" that were later used in crime. Meanwhile, registered or not, semiautomatic long guns of the types banned in Connecticut are rarely used in homicide, as we have noted time and again, including here, here, and here.​

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Despite these facts, Lamont seems intent on executing his plan to reclassify peaceable Connecticut residents lawfully exercising their constitutional rights as felons. His example illustrates very clearly what the reassurances of gun control advocates are worth and how anyone who thinks its safe to rely on such reassurances will be in for a rude awakening.​

Indeed, the month after Lamont announced his intentions, an editorial in the Connecticut Mirror argued that constitutional assurances the right to keep and bear arms will be protected should themselves be repealed. "It is time to talk about repealing the Second Amendment," the author insisted. But he made it clear that his plan wasn't necessarily an alternative to incrementalism but a potential aid to it. "[T]he very existence of a loud argument about the larger issue of repeal will make those incremental proposals seem more moderate, and therefore ultimately more achievable," the editorialist wrote.​

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Second Amendment advocates are often faulted for opposing supposedly moderate, "common sense gun safety laws" that fall well short of a comprehensive ban on all types of firearms. But the savvy ones know that punishing law-abiding people for exercising their constitutional rights does not stop criminals, and today's accommodation for the good guys with guns is tomorrow's "loophole" that will eventually close around their necks. This is even more so when the authorities already know who owns guns and where those guns are kept.​

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It's simple: The object of gun control is the outlawing and seizure of firearms from law-abiding citizens.​

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But don't just take our word for it.​

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Ask Gov. Ned Lamont.​

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© 2022 National Rifle Association of America, Institute for Legislative Action. This may be reproduced. This may not be reproduced for commercial purposes.​

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Peace favor your sword,
Kirk

 

[ajole]

A picture of people lining up for a government mandate....this is early, no stars on their chests yet.

Then it looks like this..

What they probably looked like a few years later....IF they were still alive.

 

[Hipointer]

That Lamont sounds like a Communist to me.

 

[SDProf]

What about the many "assault" weapons that didn't get registered. Wasn't compliance estimated to be a very low percentage at the time?

 

[Visper]

Yeah... it is a shame that people buy their crap... but I do see why... a lot of those people have families and jobs that they do not want to lose being a felon, justly or not it is still a felon...

But yeah, don't "register" then they don't know right? One thing I will say is I trust the government as much as... ok I just dont trust them...

Can you fight it, sure you can, do you have the money to? The government has unlimited funds to fight you, they will outlast you. By the time the case ever got to the scotus, it would most likely be to late to save the life you had before it all happened.

I am even on the fence about what I would do if anything I had was suddenly "illegal". Single with no one to screw over by "sticking to my guns" and defending the 2nd, no brainer.

Like I said it's a tough one, I have been one of the guys that talked big and bad, but when you think about the people you screw and that you care about in the process it makes it damn tough...

Even with all that said, we all need to decide what that line in the sand is... we all have one, some are just farther back than others...

 

[moona11]

After NY changed their shit with the safe act?? Most didn't register if I remember correctly.

 

[RACHGIER]

After NY changed their shit with the safe act?? Most didn't register if I remember correctly.

Understatement of the year right there.

45k registered of the estimated 1 million owned...

Might as well have said nobody did.

 

[moona11]

Understatement of the year right there.

45k registered of the estimated 1 million owned...

Might as well have said nobody did.

I remember it taking effect roughly when I was there. When you still lived there. With a hotel full of alphabet soup agencies it was a hot discussion at the bar. Alot didn't even bother the come there armed in fear of some asshole trying to bust them. Then all the NY LEOs said they were currently committing felonies for mag sizes. They said they were not enforcing any of it till shit was sorted and they knew most people would not register.

It was actually very nice there. Everyone was great. Except for the Baltimore cops. Those fuck sticks thought pretty highly of themselves. They had a rough week. Smallest and dumbest of the lot. Talked alot of shit but were prey in a hotel full of predators.

Met alot of great people still friends with today.

 

[RACHGIER]

I remember it taking effect roughly when I was there. When you still lived there. With a hotel full of alphabet soup agencies it was a hot discussion at the bar. Alot didn't even bother the come there armed in fear of some asshole trying to bust them. Then all the NY LEOs said they were currently committing felonies for mag sizes. They said they were not enforcing any of it till shit was sorted and they knew most people would not register.

It was actually very nice there. Everyone was great. Except for the Baltimore cops. Those fuck sticks thought pretty highly of themselves. They had a rough week. Smallest and dumbest of the lot. Talked alot of shit but were prey in a hotel full of predators.

Met alot of great people still friends with today.

Yeah, I still wish I wasn't broke as hell at the time. Had too much crap going wrong with vehicles all at once. Would have been an interesting trip. Loud mouthed firefighter in a bar full of cops.

 

[Delbert]

Having worked for the government as military and private government (post office), I know too much as to what liars they are, can be and do as I say chest thumpers when power is at their call.

If there was a time to not comply, this would of been it for the (legal) gun owners of Connecticut to of done a stand for UN-CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHTS. Getting a "Right" for so-called safety by registering your gun isn't gaining a Right nor safety, and people will wind up losing both with these kind of weak-minded liberal leaders that people won't push back on for keeping their Rights.

 

[Outlaw]

Those gun owners first mistake was trusting a politician. Their second mistake was trusting a politician. VTAO! Vote Them All Out! Then change the rules.

 

[Moestooge]

Never trust politicians of either side of the Uniparty, and don't be a Fudd.

 

[Delbert]

Many so-called FUDD's are taken incorrectly. If it wasn't for the Fudd, the American Revolution wouldn't, couldn't of been won for this Republic. If the Fudd hadn't used his, probably ONLY trusty rifle (no matter where it was made), the military group this new Republic had, would in no way of held off all the British forces that came over to stamp out the patriotic uprising that was going on with what the Crown wanted in taxing and trying to keep control of the people, just to take all monies collected back to England. Remember, only England's military could have firearms. England, and for that matter Canada and Australia which are under some form of British laws and rules to this day, is still very restrictive on firearm ownership and "who" can have what.

 

[RACHGIER]

Many so-called FUDD's are taken incorrectly. If it wasn't for the Fudd, the American Revolution wouldn't, couldn't of been won for this Republic. If the Fudd hadn't used his, probably ONLY trusty rifle (no matter where it was made), the military group this new Republic had, would in no way of held off all the British forces that came over to stamp out the patriotic uprising that was going on with what the Crown wanted in taxing and trying to keep control of the people, just to take all monies collected back to England. Remember, only England's military could have firearms. England, and for that matter Canada and Australia which are under some form of British laws and rules to this day, is still very restrictive on firearm ownership and "who" can have what.

There is no such thing as a good Fudd. A Fudd is a sympathizer and one who will acquiesce to the demands of an oppressor. A Fudd will turn in their neighbor to save their own neck and justify it as having been "for the greater good". A Fudd will say, I don't care if semi-auto pistols get banned, I'm a wheel gun guy. You don't need 30 round to hunt deer, just get a bolt action rifle. The Fudd stands at the top of the slippery slope waiting to push people down it. Benedict Arnold is the perfect example of a Fudd. He was one of us, until he wasn't. Then he sold us out for his 10 pieces of silver.

The revolution wasn't won by Fudds, it was won by what we call sheep dogs today. Plus a lot of luck, backing from foreign nations, and the fact that there's a giant ass ocean between us and them so transpo was a bit of an issue.

 

[Hipointer]

Yeah... it is a shame that people buy their crap... but I do see why... a lot of those people have families and jobs that they do not want to lose being a felon, justly or not it is still a felon...

But yeah, don't "register" then they don't know right? One thing I will say is I trust the government as much as... ok I just dont trust them...

Can you fight it, sure you can, do you have the money to? The government has unlimited funds to fight you, they will outlast you. By the time the case ever got to the scotus, it would most likely be to late to save the life you had before it all happened.

I am even on the fence about what I would do if anything I had was suddenly "illegal". Single with no one to screw over by "sticking to my guns" and defending the 2nd, no brainer.

Like I said it's a tough one, I have been one of the guys that talked big and bad, but when you think about the people you screw and that you care about in the process it makes it damn tough...

Even with all that said, we all need to decide what that line in the sand is... we all have one, some are just farther back than others...

A lot of what you say is more truth here than fiction, and I agree. My boss at work asked me once if, when I was a young guy and in the Marines, would I have marched against a bunch of civilian gun owners...I had to think about that for a second, and then I replied, "maybe". Being a young Marine versus now? Now I'm an old guy who does not fit in well with most of the crap I see as "normal" in society, but back then I was different.

Well, he gets all huffy and says the old line, "from my cold dead hands", to which I replied, "from your wife and kid's cold dead hands as well"? He just looked at me stupidly and said "what"? I told him that when I was a young Marine, and if someone would have started shooting at me, I would have damn sure shot back. I also told him that if he decided to lay down fire on a group of BATF agents or some other type of federal cop, he better be ready for a superior return fire, because they would probably riddle his house and him with bullets...as well as his family, if they happen to be in the way. He did not like that.

Not saying that we just take it like a door mat, but thinking that your gonna "lay down fire" on the gubment, you had better have your crap together, and have at least a few thousand others at your side willing to do the same, otherwise you won't even put a dent in it. JMHO.

 

[ajole]

Many so-called FUDD's are taken incorrectly. If it wasn't for the Fudd, the American Revolution wouldn't, couldn't of been won for this Republic. If the Fudd hadn't used his, probably ONLY trusty rifle (no matter where it was made), the military group this new Republic had, would in no way of held off all the British forces that came over to stamp out the patriotic uprising that was going on with what the Crown wanted in taxing and trying to keep control of the people, just to take all monies collected back to England. Remember, only England's military could have firearms. England, and for that matter Canada and Australia which are under some form of British laws and rules to this day, is still very restrictive on firearm ownership and "who" can have what.

No.
Just because they had wooden stocked guns doesn’t make them Fudds. You aren’t grasping what a Fudd really is.

A Fudd would have let them confiscate the arms at Lexington…after all, they weren’t coming to a house to take YOUR rifle, they were going to an armory to confiscate cached powder and arms that literal traitors to the legal government were stockpiling. Criminals! THEY shouldn’t have guns, THEY are a threat to my peaceful existence!
At least, that’s the spin a Fudd would put on the story.

Fudds aren’t just people that prefer old guns. They are people that will agree to the confiscation of any and all guns they don’t like or prefer, from people they don’t think are worthy of having the right to keep or bear arms, as long as THEIR specific gun type and social class is left alone. They’ll sell the rights of EVERY other American, just to retain a limited right of their own for a little while longer.

They aren’t truly in favor of the 2nd, and are, instead, traitors who will compromise the rights of others, in trade for the tyrant allowing them to keep their arms….at least, until the tyrant decides not to allow it. For proof that the tyrant WILL eventually come…just look at Canada.

 

[Visper]

They aren’t truly in favor of the 2nd, and are, instead, traitors who will compromise the rights of others, in trade for the tyrant allowing them to keep their arms….at least, until the tyrant decides not to allow it. For proof that the tyrant WILL eventually come…just look at Canada.

I agree 1000%. I couldn't even fathom turning in anyone, I will fight for the 2nd with my voting till the day I leave this earth. Like I said earlier in this thread, if I was single without wife and kids, I would fight with my life for it also... I believe in it that much.

But also, like I said earlier, it is hard when there are others, your loved ones, who are involved in your fight.

It's a decision we unfortunately may have to make...

I asked my Dad (Ex-Philly Cop - retired) if he was given the order to "confiscate" guns, would he have. He said while he may not agree, it is his job to uphold the law (if a law was passed). Then I asked him, yeah but what about your oath to the constitution? Silence, and I saw the conflict in his head, he was in the military also, and chain of command and following orders is a way of life... that is why I have the greatest respect in the world for the officers or anyone in a similar position, that would rather resign than follow an unconstitutional order.

They shouldn't even be put in that position because a law that is against an amendment that is in the Bill of Rights should NEVER be passed... but that is the line even they one day will have to draw... I think a lot of police will "follow orders". Most have a family to worry about... sucks don't it??? Worst part is the powers that be know that and will use that to their advantage.

Not saying that we just take it like a door mat, but thinking that your gonna "lay down fire" on the gubment, you had better have your crap together, and have at least a few thousand others at your side willing to do the same, otherwise you won't even put a dent in it. JMHO.

Yeah, I tend to agree. During the revolutionary war, there was no internet, information traveled much slower along with military responses lol. That gave time for the 2% of the population to get their shit together. Now a days, they are kinda like Santa (Christmas Reference) they know everything. Yeah we are all on lists... believe it or not.

No one would ever be able to get the numbers to make a difference because they would quell it before it even had a chance to take off. There will have to be a few Patriots that shed blood for our beliefs and get the rest of the country to stand up and notice.

You would actually need a state or states to rise up and challenge it.

Let's hope it never gets to that point.

I am especially convinced, after the midterms and watching Dems get re-elected etc, that we are the Dinosaurs and are outnumbered at this point... The indoctrination in our schools will eventually lead to many of our rights going away as it gets more and more lopsided. I am hoping I outlive it and never see it...

Anyway, still Christmas week, gonna keep my chin up and hope I am full of shit and totally wrong...

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

The nation wide fight for the 2A appears to be fought with the Firearms Policy Coalition, and the GOA. I am going to start up sending money on a weekly basis once again. They are achieving lots of WINS all over the country. Are you aware of that? It's like whack a mole. Bruen is a MAJOR win and will be used all over the country as NY, OR, and more are writing laws that contradict SCOTUS.

$20-$40 a week is cheaper than you being the defendant. The fight is peaceful, and we need to think NATIONAL.

 

[Visper]

The nation wide fight for the 2A appears to be fought with the Firearms Policy Coalition, and the GOA. I am going to start up sending money on a weekly basis once again. They are achieving lots of WINS all over the country. Are you aware of that? It's like whack a mole. Bruen is a MAJOR win and will be used all over the country as NY, OR, and more are writing laws that contradict SCOTUS.

$20-$40 a week is cheaper than you being the defendant. The fight is peaceful, and we need to think NATIONAL.

Yup, well aware. But at the same time they keep passing stuff, hidden inside other bills etc. They can keep up the fight for awhile, but even then if you read from FPC last week, can't fix those 16 Republicans that voted yes on the new budget with more gun crap hidden inside...

Even with those wins, like in NY, they just change the wording and say yeah ok sure, shall issue state it is, but you can't carry here, here, here and 90000 other places... it's kinda the same isn't it?

All the money in the world can't fix the direction everything is headed. Will/do I still donate, hell yes. Will/do I vote for not just Pro 2A but the person the best represents me.

I try not to vote just for who FPC etc endorse, most republicans are 2A conscience, but I also need to look at other stuff. Most of the time it does wind up being the same candidate.

I know, I'm a debbie downer... I do need to work on that...

Christmas made me really happy though!! I'll post that in a more appropriate thread though.

 

[TNTRAILERTRASH]

Yup, well aware. But at the same time they keep passing stuff, hidden inside other bills etc. They can keep up the fight for awhile, but even then if you read from FPC last week, can't fix those 16 Republicans that voted yes on the new budget with more gun crap hidden inside...

Even with those wins, like in NY, they just change the wording and say yeah ok sure, shall issue state it is, but you can't carry here, here, here and 90000 other places... it's kinda the same isn't it?

All the money in the world can't fix the direction everything is headed. Will/do I still donate, hell yes. Will/do I vote for not just Pro 2A but the person the best represents me.

I try not to vote just for who FPC etc endorse, most republicans are 2A conscience, but I also need to look at other stuff. Most of the time it does wind up being the same candidate.

I know, I'm a debbie downer... I do need to work on that...

Christmas made me really happy though!! I'll post that in a more appropriate thread though.

The bill of rights is the bill of rights. The 2nd would have to be abolished. Until then SCOTUS has spoken. It's up to us to help finance the defense of the 2nd. It's a cheap way to be a patriot. Non violent enforcement of the law of the land. It sucks that's the way it is.

They aren't going to stop. They are totalitarian. 2 things stand in the way. The 1st (which is in danger every day) and the 2nd. The pledge of allegiance we did in school was a real thing to me as a citizen. Swearing into political office, law enforcement, and our military it's a real thing.

Is it a life long commitment? It is to me. We owe it to our kids.