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Well in KS there is the up to 90 days for approval and 15 for denial.
I got a letter from the KS AG a few weeks ago. I had forgoten to sign a copy of one of the aplication pages. EERRRGGGHH.
So I fixed the error and sent it off. Thus the time had to start over. Hoever ussually the acceptance comes within 45 days. This is what I am counting on. KNOCK on wood.
I got a letter from the KS AG a few weeks ago. I had forgoten to sign a copy of one of the aplication pages. EERRRGGGHH.
So I fixed the error and sent it off. Thus the time had to start over. Hoever ussually the acceptance comes within 45 days. This is what I am counting on. KNOCK on wood.
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.380 LCP, it's small and concealable without altering my wardrobe.
Where I live, people are super gun paranoid. Deep concealment in public is essential. I take the gun with me everywhere, and on every range trip, generally firing at 50ft. If I can hit 'em at 50, I can hit 'em if they get closer.
I prefer my Bersa, but it's harder to conceal on my 5'9" 175lb. frame.
I do carry it on the bike, with JHP rounds. I can pop all shots from the Bersa into a 5" pattern at 50 feet. The BG is going down.
Where I live, people are super gun paranoid. Deep concealment in public is essential. I take the gun with me everywhere, and on every range trip, generally firing at 50ft. If I can hit 'em at 50, I can hit 'em if they get closer.
I prefer my Bersa, but it's harder to conceal on my 5'9" 175lb. frame.
I do carry it on the bike, with JHP rounds. I can pop all shots from the Bersa into a 5" pattern at 50 feet. The BG is going down.
I carry 9 mm, 40 cal, or 45 ACP. I carry the 9 mm the most as that pistol I have 100% confidence in and it conceals well. The 1911 I carry in the winter time in my carry jacket. I don’t have a decent holster for it yet so it’s pretty much a winter only gun until I get a good holster. The 40 cal is the SW40VE. I have only carried it once just to get a feel for it. I don’t have a great holster for it but it’s functional. After I get a decent holster and a few hundred more rounds through it I might carry it full time.
Primal, that 9ve will prob be a lot like my 40ve. If you wear a shirt that’s even remotely tight it will print like a brick. If I am wearing something loose it disappears. Then again you are a skinny little guy compared to me lol so it might work out differently for you.
Primal, that 9ve will prob be a lot like my 40ve. If you wear a shirt that’s even remotely tight it will print like a brick. If I am wearing something loose it disappears. Then again you are a skinny little guy compared to me lol so it might work out differently for you.
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·Is a .45 better than a .380?
Is a .380 that you have with you because it is comfortable to carry better than being unarmed?
The anser to both quetions is yes.
I own a Hi-point C9 and I enjoy fireing it but I have a Ruger 380 LCP on order because I can't allways conceal my 9mm
Is a .380 that you have with you because it is comfortable to carry better than being unarmed?
The anser to both quetions is yes.
I own a Hi-point C9 and I enjoy fireing it but I have a Ruger 380 LCP on order because I can't allways conceal my 9mm
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·I hear that all the time. But I carry a 9mm almost every day, and many days I carry a full sized weapon. I carry concealed I have zero problems with comfort. (And I am a short fat guy.) That facts are if you engage a shooter who has a 9mm or larger with your .380 or smaller there is a good chance even after you shoot him he is going to shoot you. (baring the lucky headshot)
People seem to feel since they have their bug gun they are good to go. But carrying your bug gun as your main carry gun is really doing yourself a disservice and the citizens around you a disservice.
People seem to feel since they have their bug gun they are good to go. But carrying your bug gun as your main carry gun is really doing yourself a disservice and the citizens around you a disservice.
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I have compared ballistics between the .380 (9mm short) and 9mm (9X19)
With todays ammo w/ +p rds. A .380 is a formidable caliber.
Preferable I carry my Llama .45 in my truck. Once I get my CWP I will carry my Llama .380 till I can get me a compact 9 or 40S&W.
With todays ammo w/ +p rds. A .380 is a formidable caliber.
Preferable I carry my Llama .45 in my truck. Once I get my CWP I will carry my Llama .380 till I can get me a compact 9 or 40S&W.
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·It stills only passes FBI testing with a FMJ and then barely.
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a .380 in the hand is worth 10 .45s in the safe.
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·Ya but that is not the point
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I carry a XD in .40 S&W all the time. I have no problem with printing.
I carry a 1911 chambered for 10mm. Though like mentioned above it has been too hot to carry a fullsize gun comfortable conceiled. Im looking at a Bersa Thunder, which is basically a PPK with a better trigger and half the price, and its chambered in.....thats right, .380ACP.
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·I got rid of my .380.
I now carry a .45acp. The .38spl snub gets the nod when ultimate concealment is needed.
I like my 9mm well and it rode on my hip for 10 years. However, I built my 1911 such that it sits low in the hand, and I can empty 8 rounds of full power 230gr HP into an 8x10 target at combat distance in very little time. I've had one 1911 empty its mag full auto on me (bad sear - replaced the sear and sold the gun) and it did not shoot much faster than I can manually. Just takes practice.
I know of at least one instance when a soldier was hit in the torso by the Soviet equivalent of our .50 BMG. It did not take him out of the fight, though he did die later.
There is no magic handgun round. Carry .38spl on up and be happy.
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I now carry a .45acp. The .38spl snub gets the nod when ultimate concealment is needed.
I like my 9mm well and it rode on my hip for 10 years. However, I built my 1911 such that it sits low in the hand, and I can empty 8 rounds of full power 230gr HP into an 8x10 target at combat distance in very little time. I've had one 1911 empty its mag full auto on me (bad sear - replaced the sear and sold the gun) and it did not shoot much faster than I can manually. Just takes practice.
I know of at least one instance when a soldier was hit in the torso by the Soviet equivalent of our .50 BMG. It did not take him out of the fight, though he did die later.
There is no magic handgun round. Carry .38spl on up and be happy.
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I chose the .40 S&W as at the time I believed it had the best balance of power/capacity. For GLOCK compacts, the standard loads are 15 9mm rounds, 13 .40 S&W rounds, or 10 .45 ACP rounds. As I shoot more 9mm and .45 ACP, though, I realize that each caliber is so unique its more about what works for you than what the ballistics data says. Two sayings I believe sum up my views on this:
Shoot the heaviest caliber you can comfortably control.
A hit with a .22LR is better than a miss with a .45 ACP.
Shoot the heaviest caliber you can comfortably control.
A hit with a .22LR is better than a miss with a .45 ACP.
Pardon me while I WHUP THIS OUT!!!Ha! I hear that! Nice responce... imagine luggin' that thing around....Listen folks, big bore is the way to go!
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It's been proven that the underpowered 44mag, 357mag, 45acp, 9mm, 40 S&W, and any of the other rounds lack the knockdown power that one needs... the .50BMG pistol pictured above is the one and only pistol that can take down any attacker (or PMS'ing Polar/Grizzly bears on PCP) with one shot. It's the only gun anyone should feel safe in carrying, and with the IPL (inside pants leg) holster, It's easilty concealable with oversized pants. Noone should trust their life to anything weighing less than 290 grains, case in point: It's THE self defense caliber.
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For on-person carry, the key is proper penetration without over-penetration and comonality of round. The first one is obvious but let me explain the second:
If, god forbid, you have to commit to drawing and firing your weapon, as a gun owner you're now on the spot. Why did you have a gun? Why did you shoot him? Where did you shoot him? Did you shoot first? A myriad of questions come at you , and you have to be prepared for anything. If you shoot someone with a .45, but the bg only had a knife, this could make your life a living hell far beyond the incident. It's the same with those who carry Hydrashock rounds in their carry gun. If you do have to fire it, the police are going to ask "Why do you have rounds that are MEANT for human targets and are meant to cause the maximum amount of damage" especially if the BG has a far lower powered weapon. Smaller weapons or less advanced weapons equate to "less threat" in the legal world.
At the same time, you don't want to be caught with a .25 when the OTHER guy has a .50. Then you have the opposite problem!!!
The 9mm is a popular US round because it hits the target, and rarely goes beyond that. It's an easy round to control, place and fire without risking it going beyond the target. This is also why the .32 is the most popular civilian round in the EU, because penetration is a HUGE concern in the more densely populated countries where the right to bear arms is also legal.
It's a fine balance that I think the 9mm fits just right. Not too much, but just enough for what the common man faces on the street.
If, god forbid, you have to commit to drawing and firing your weapon, as a gun owner you're now on the spot. Why did you have a gun? Why did you shoot him? Where did you shoot him? Did you shoot first? A myriad of questions come at you , and you have to be prepared for anything. If you shoot someone with a .45, but the bg only had a knife, this could make your life a living hell far beyond the incident. It's the same with those who carry Hydrashock rounds in their carry gun. If you do have to fire it, the police are going to ask "Why do you have rounds that are MEANT for human targets and are meant to cause the maximum amount of damage" especially if the BG has a far lower powered weapon. Smaller weapons or less advanced weapons equate to "less threat" in the legal world.
At the same time, you don't want to be caught with a .25 when the OTHER guy has a .50. Then you have the opposite problem!!!
The 9mm is a popular US round because it hits the target, and rarely goes beyond that. It's an easy round to control, place and fire without risking it going beyond the target. This is also why the .32 is the most popular civilian round in the EU, because penetration is a HUGE concern in the more densely populated countries where the right to bear arms is also legal.
It's a fine balance that I think the 9mm fits just right. Not too much, but just enough for what the common man faces on the street.
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