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http://www.newsmax.com/morris/japan_clunkers_ford_gm/2009/08/10/246107.html

Cash-for-Clunkers Great - for Japan

Monday, August 10, 2009 4:56 PM

By: By Dick Morris & Eileen McGann Article Font Size

The only part of the stimulus program that is working, the "cash for clunkers" program is, in reality, a subsidy to foreign car companies, proving that Barack Obama is the best president Japan ever had.

The Department of Transportation reports that the 10 leading trade-ins are all American branded cars while six of the top 10 new cars purchased - and four of the top five - are foreign. So the Senate is about to pass additional funds to subsidize the trade-in of American cars and the purchase of foreign cars.

DOT reports that the following are the 10 top trade-ins, all American:

1. Ford Explorer

2. Ford F150 Pickup 2WD

3. Jeep Grand Cherokee 4 WD

4. Jeep Cherokee 4 WD

5. Dodge Caravan/Grand Caravan

6. Chevrolet Blazer 4 WD

7. Ford Explorer 2 WD

8. Ford F150 Pickup 4 WD

9. Chevrolet C1500 Pickup 2 WD

10. Ford Windstar FWD Van

And the top 10 new car purchases, subsidized by the American taxpayer, are mainly foreign vehicles:

1. Toyota Corolla

2. Ford Focus FWD

3. Honda Civic

4. Toyota Prius

5. Toyota Camry

6. Ford Escape FWD

7. Hyndai Elantra

8. Dodge Caliber

9. Honda Fit

10. Chevrolet Cobalt

It is a violation of the World Trade Organization rules to enact a public subsidy program and skew it toward only domestically produced products, so the Congress has no choice but to extend the program to all comers. No choice, that is, but to not spend the money in the first place.

"Cash for clunkers" will do wonders for the Japanese economy, but its impact on the U.S. job situation is problematic. This unintended consequence is a great illustration of what happens when the blunt tool of government subsidy is applied to the fine tuning of a free market economy. Government planners keep getting it wrong. That's why socialism is such a bad idea.

So Obama can boast of a great success in taking American cars off the road and replacing them with foreign cars. Great going!
 

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Well when Detroit can make a vehicle that is just as fuel efficient and reliable as Japan maybe it will turn around, note all vehicles traded were American crap (Chrysler, Ford). The only American car I would even ponder buying would be a Chevy. Where did you get that list mine was as follows;

1. 1998 Ford Explorer

2. 1997 Ford Explorer

3. 1996 Ford Explorer

4. 1999 Ford Explorer

5. Jeep Grand Cherokee

6. Jeep Cherokee

7. 1995 Ford Explorer

8. 1994 Ford Explorer

9. 1997 Ford Windstar

10. 1999 Dodge Caravan

The Top Ten Cash for Clunkers New Cars:

1. Ford Focus

2. Honda Civic

3. Toyota Corolla

4. Toyota Prius

5. Ford Escape

6. Toyota Camry

7. Dodge Caliber

8. Hyundai Elantra

9. Honda Fit

10. Chevy Cobalt
 

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Oh and you do realize there are a lot of Honda and Toyota plants in America right? Those American workers are getting paid...

Apparently the American people know a good product when they see it. I don't know what is wrong with the ones getting Fords and Chryslers again, thought they learned the first time that they aren't good.
 

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its from newsmax, and i know that some of the rice burners are mad here. the point was this:
" “Cash for clunkers” will do wonders for the Japanese economy, but its impact on the U.S. job situation is problematic "
i just found that interesting about the program. it seems that American people are making money but most goes over seas and i thought this was for use not japan. as far as American cars are crap, most people that drive these so called best cars in the world toys,hondas trade them in about every 3 years and if they are so better then American cars why do i see more older American cars on the road then old toys and hondas imap but we all don't have the same opinion. so to each our own i guess.
 

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That's weird mine came from U.S News and they got it from the Transportation Department as well...

I know my dad trades his in 'cause the warranty is about to expire, not that he needed it he just does it anyway. He likes having a new car in the garage too...

Also tell me how there are a ton of old Hondas on the road after having well over 200,000 miles on them without any major issues except for the car showing a lot of wear.

I'd take a '99 Civic with 80,000 miles on it over a new Dodge any day, American companies just make crap (mainly Chrysler and Ford), my old neighbor got a brand new Dodge truck it was like a top of the line truck it was a dually and everything, within like 3-4 months he had it in the shop 8 times and it was brand new, F*** Dodge. My dad remembers Dodges on the showroom floor (back in the '70s) and they had streaks in the paint, what kind of shoddy workmanship do they have where they can't even do the paint-job right, it's the first thing you see when you look at a car...

A guy at work has a brand new '09 Mustang and everytime he turns the A/C on it shoots out dust at his face to the point he is scared it could blind him while driving, oh and Ford customer service told him that it is normal.
 

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its from newsmax, and i know that some of the rice burners are mad here. the point was this:
" "Cash for clunkers" will do wonders for the Japanese economy, but its impact on the U.S. job situation is problematic "
i just found that interesting about the program. it seems that American people are making money but most goes over seas and i thought this was for use not japan. as far as American cars are crap, most people that drive these so called best cars in the world toys,hondas trade them in about every 3 years and if they are so better then American cars why do i see more older American cars on the road then old toys and hondas imap but we all don't have the same opinion. so to each our own i guess.
Yeah it's just as problematic as the idea that creating more jobs for teachers and cops will boost the economy.. no it won't we need jobs that produce goods to boost the economy wow Obama is an idiot...
 

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around here its Chevy's and Ford's not many old rice burners. both my Chevy's have no warranty and still going with no problems. 89 Blazer has over 400k on it and i have just had to put on belts and alternators, no major problems and my wife's 05 Malibu has 180k on it and no problems. we are the original owners of the car the blazer was left to me from my dad and it only had 89k on it when i got it . the point of the topic was how most of the money was going over seas and not here.
 

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Love my Chevy Impala, and my truck is a Dodge, but it's a 93 so it avoids a lot of the crap you get with the 94 and up Dodge vehicles. We had a 03 Ford Taurus, and it was OK, but it started having electrical problems so I traded it in. Not sure if I would get another Ford at this point. Don't have a problem with a lot of the foreign cars, I had 2 Kias, but they are really A-B cars, nothing special or exciting about them at all. Never had a Toyota or Honda, so I don't know anything about them, but everyone I know that has had one has liked em.
 

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I am on my third Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited and I am not sorry to say, I will probably get another one, and I am very interested in the new hybrid Ford, now of course where I live, I would tear up one of those phoney Japanese 4 WD SUV's in about a year, they could not handle it, I know, I had a honda and it took about 9 months and the cost to repair it would have been more than buying a new car and they voided the warranty on me because of the area I live, and I don't abuse my vehicles, the current Jeep I have has 168,000 miles on it, I have had to put two sets of tires on it, one new set of brakes and a water pump last week, the jeep I traded in on this one, had over 300,000 on it and the one before that had 274,000 miles on it(Montana is a big place), when you live in a place that has over 6 foot of snow on the ground for 6 months of the year, I want something I can get parts locally for and replace myself with out having a masters degree in mechanics...of course the standard fare around here is Dodge, Ford and Chevy dually diesel pick ups, not some namby pamby Honda, Nissan or Toyota cruiser..
 

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I'm the first one in our family to have a import. While I've been alive we've gone through 2 Dodge vans (both were dead by 50k), 3 GM/Chevy trucks, and a 1997 Blazer that was a huge PoS on wheels. My mom currently has a 04 Chevy Impala that has been a great car and dad has a 05 Chevy Silverado that has done well also. Before those, it was all crap. I drove a '99 Ranger for 6 years and had problems with it on a regular basis, until the electrical system finally went out and it wouldn't shift gears, then Obama gave me $4500 for it. Now I'm very much happy in my '09 Toyota Yaris :) Everybody I know that has Hondas, Toyotas, etc. rarely (if ever) have problems and say that they last forever. My fiance drives a '04 Kia Sorento 4x4 and it's a great vehicle. She's put about 20k on it so far and hasn't had any trouble out of it. The 4x4 on that thing is beastly too. So, unless something changes with the American vehicles, I plan on us continuing to be a family driving imports.

Oh, and BTW the engineering firm I work for builds the plants that Toyota, Nissan, etc. use to make their vehicles. All of us are American, all our contractors and construction workers are American, and last time I was onsite, all the people who work at those plants are American as well. So even though the money for the vehicle goes to Japan, it bounces right back to America to pay the workers making the vehicles.
 

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Worrying about buying american at this point is like shutting the barn door after the cows have all run out, too little too late buy what you like china gets all our money in the end anyway. The clunker program is another feel good works great program that "helps" someone buy something they can't afford in the first place. Remember the housing crisis anyone? Now in a couple years I'll get to give a bunch of these tools more of my money so they can have things they can't afford. Maybe its time I said screw it and got on the govt teat too, responsibility seems to be reviled in this country anymore.
 

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come on up to my place in February, I will put ya guys up and we will see how beastly that 4wd is...LOL and believe me, I am not putting her Kia down, what kills cars around here is the constant use in 4wd day in and day out, I am sure many of the current crop of foreign 4wd would do just fine part time, but 7 miles of dirt road with snow on it day in and day out, with ice and such, kills cars, my vehicles don't get taken out of 4wd for 6 months of the year...the new crop of most cars are not designed to use day in and day out in that manner....

Geeze Dead by 50K, you guys in Alabama must really be hard on cars, they were not even broke in!

Yikes..

I would have to say, it would have been interesting to see how well the cash for clunkers went, if they stipulated it had to be a bailed out American car maker they had to buy from, I almost bet ya, they would have sold just as many cars, people just like new things, no matter how much it costs...

I had a buddy of mine in Georgia look the route up to my house on his map program once, so he could see where I live, his exact words were..."You live at the end of a F**king goat path!" to which I answered, yup and I love it, not to many people around and I have 25,000 acres I can use to my hearts desire around me..hunting, fishing, shooting, just plain paradise...
 

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Well those numbers make sense to me as the explorer was the top selling SUV for some time in the 90s so there is plenty of them out there. they hold very littel trade in value so they are a good clunker candidate. ditto for teh chrysler products. you are basically looking at the cars that have sold the most units, and dont hold thier value well, so getting a good trade in value for them makes economic sense. what i dont understand of the chevy and ford pickups. they have good trade in value, and last well.

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Funny things happen when you "give away" other peoples money. Im not sure I could take the cash, I have the idea that the car I got would always be a constant reminder I can be bought. Then again if i were in dire need then I would do it for my family but I doubt many fit that class. Still it would eat at me.
 

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I am on my third Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited and I am not sorry to say, I will probably get another one, and I am very interested in the new hybrid Ford, now of course where I live, I would tear up one of those phoney Japanese 4 WD SUV's in about a year, they could not handle it, I know, I had a honda and it took about 9 months and the cost to repair it would have been more than buying a new car and they voided the warranty on me because of the area I live, and I don't abuse my vehicles, the current Jeep I have has 168,000 miles on it, I have had to put two sets of tires on it, one new set of brakes and a water pump last week, the jeep I traded in on this one, had over 300,000 on it and the one before that had 274,000 miles on it(Montana is a big place), when you live in a place that has over 6 foot of snow on the ground for 6 months of the year, I want something I can get parts locally for and replace myself with out having a masters degree in mechanics...of course the standard fare around here is Dodge, Ford and Chevy dually diesel pick ups, not some namby pamby Honda, Nissan or Toyota cruiser..
All your vehicles must be old as hell then as any modern vehicle will require serious training to work on.

Look at a Toyota FJ Cruiser it kicked everybody's (Ford, Dodge you name it) ass at the Baja 1000.

Try doing this to a Dodge and drive away in it... also no spare parts were allowed in the feat.
Part 1

Part 2

Part 3 at 2:22 it started.

Also you must think Americans are lousy teachers as we taught the Japanese how to make vehicles in the manner that they do now. All they did is perfect what we taught them.
 

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I am on my third Jeep Grand Cherokee Limited and I am not sorry to say, I will probably get another one, and I am very interested in the new hybrid Ford, now of course where I live, I would tear up one of those phoney Japanese 4 WD SUV's in about a year, they could not handle it, I know, I had a honda and it took about 9 months and the cost to repair it would have been more than buying a new car and they voided the warranty on me because of the area I live, and I don't abuse my vehicles, the current Jeep I have has 168,000 miles on it, I have had to put two sets of tires on it, one new set of brakes and a water pump last week, the jeep I traded in on this one, had over 300,000 on it and the one before that had 274,000 miles on it(Montana is a big place), when you live in a place that has over 6 foot of snow on the ground for 6 months of the year, I want something I can get parts locally for and replace myself with out having a masters degree in mechanics...of course the standard fare around here is Dodge, Ford and Chevy dually diesel pick ups, not some namby pamby Honda, Nissan or Toyota cruiser..
All your vehicles must be old as hell then as any modern vehicle will require serious training to work on.

Look at a Toyota FJ Cruiser it kicked everybody's (Ford, Dodge you name it) ass at the Baja 1000.

Try doing this to a Dodge and drive away in it... also no spare parts were allowed in the feat.
Part 1

Part 2

Part 3 at 2:22 it started.

Also you must think Americans are lousy teachers as we taught the Japanese how to make vehicles in the manner that they do now. All they did is perfect what we taught them.
You must really have chip on your Shoulder!! Yikes..

My newest vehicle is a 1996, and it does great for me, and I have the skill to work on it..

Now a Toyota Fj40 is an awesome vehicle as are the old Land rovers and a few others, but they are not in the same class as the newer vehicles..

Now I am sorry, if you have a problem with me liking my American Made vehicles, that is my CHOICE(we at least still have that for a while) and my opinion, just as you have yours, it is no better or no worse than mine....

By the way, I like American Made Guns also...spending as long as I didn't defending this country, has kind of sunk in to my being...

Have a great day and enjoy your car, what ever the hell it is..I can virtually afford to buy any vehicle I want, without help from the Government but choose to keep what I have...

And just in Case you think I don't like Japanese, you would be wrong, my first wife was Japanese and my daughter is 1/2 Japanese, spent a bit of time there when in the service, Love the Japanese people...

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You have a chip on your shoulder then too calling anything Japanese namby pamby...
Dude I have a 1970 Chevy C10, I just don't appreciate when people rag on Japanese cars, obviously they have balls. I love American guns well as long as its like Springfield, Remington or Colt that's about it, I will like HiPoints when they don't make me want to gouge my eyes out. All I am trying to prove is that Japanese vehicles are just as good if not better than American vehicles.

Well I am just a poor married enlisted guy who can't afford just about any car he wants.
 

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You have a chip on your shoulder then too calling anything Japanese namby pamby...
Dude I have a 1970 Chevy C10, I just don't appreciate when people rag on Japanese cars, obviously they have balls. I love American guns well as long as its like Springfield, Remington or Colt that's about it, I will like HiPoints when they don't make me want to gouge my eyes out. All I am trying to prove is that Japanese vehicles are just as good if not better than American vehicles.

Well I am just a poor married enlisted guy who can't afford just about any car he wants.
Non-Comm officer training could really change your life, I know that for a fact...as far as the namby pamby comment, I am sorry if that offends you, I called quite a few of my men that same term, and you know what, it caused them all to increase themselves to a new level, but you know us officers, we are all just a**holes and have no understanding of how the real world works....

By the way, you did see where I said, I owned a Honda for a while? or did you gloss over that..as far as chips on shoulders, nope, I am riding the rest of my life out, heck I am retired and pretty much have no more worries...Japanese cars may be as good, but I don't think they are better...I had a Hummer for a while after I retired, and I would love to see a stock Japanese vehicle stand up to what that damn thing did, of course, that was what I felt comfortable with when I first retired, and it was a monster, gas guzzler and my wife looked at me crazy ever time we got into the damn thing!

Based on your posts, I would say, that you have had bad experiences with American Cars, on the same level I have had bad experiences with Japanese cars, so I would say, we are about even..

LOL

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You have a chip on your shoulder then too calling anything Japanese namby pamby...
Dude I have a 1970 Chevy C10, I just don't appreciate when people rag on Japanese cars, obviously they have balls. I love American guns well as long as its like Springfield, Remington or Colt that's about it, I will like HiPoints when they don't make me want to gouge my eyes out. All I am trying to prove is that Japanese vehicles are just as good if not better than American vehicles.

Well I am just a poor married enlisted guy who can't afford just about any car he wants.
Non-Comm officer training could really change your life, I know that for a fact...as far as the namby pamby comment, I am sorry if that offends you, I called quite a few of my men that same term, and you know what, it caused them all to increase themselves to a new level, but you know us officers, we are all just a**holes and have no understanding of how the real world works....

By the way, you did see where I said, I owned a Honda for a while? or did you gloss over that..as far as chips on shoulders, nope, I am riding the rest of my life out, heck I am retired and pretty much have no more worries...Japanese cars may be as good, but I don't think they are better...I had a Hummer for a while after I retired, and I would love to see a stock Japanese vehicle stand up to what that damn thing did, of course, that was what I felt comfortable with when I first retired, and it was a monster, gas guzzler and my wife looked at me crazy ever time we got into the damn thing!

Based on your posts, I would say, that you have had bad experiences with American Cars, on the same level I have had bad experiences with Japanese cars, so I would say, we are about even..

LOL

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I've only had 2 American cars a '69 Nova and this Chevy C10. Everyone around me has had issues with Fords and Chryslers so I avoid them like the plague as that is what they are to me and as far as I am concerned to this country as well. I've never had an issue with a Japanese car. Good thing you got rid of the Hummer though GM had the awesome idea to use magnesium for the transmissions bell housing so if you were in an accident and it caught on fire you would have been done. I know what you mean with the gas guzzler thing my C10 probably gets 7-8 mpg on a good day.

NCO training would probably make me hate the Air Force mentality even more than I do now...
And if you called me a namby pamby I'd probably say whatever and walk off, don't get me wrong serving my country is great and all I just really don't need more stress than I already have so I'd just blow it off.
 

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http://www.automobile.com/toyota-roughs-it-at-the-baja-1000-with-fj-cruiser.html

Toyota Roughs it at the Baja 1000 With FJ Cruiser

Surprisingly Few Upgrades for Race-Spec FJÂ Â

One of the most respected names in the 4×4 business is FJ (and BJ, for that matter), a go-anywhere vehicle that has earned a reputation for being tough and durable. So, when Toyota decided to tack those two letters onto the front of its latest retro-styled FJ-inspired SUV, Land Cruiser fans wanted to know whether or not it was as good off-road as its namesake predecessors. Luckily, its very good. But to make the new FJ Cruisers name worth its weight in gold, Toyota has set out to compete in the 38th running of the Baja 1000, one of the most grueling off-road races around. The truck will enter in the Mini Stock category, and will be driven by off-road legend Rod Millen and company.

Compared to some of the other vehicles that will be running the Baja, the FJ Cruiser Race Trucks Mini Stock status means that its only got little by the way of technical modifications. The chassis and bodywork are straight from the production line, while fragments of the interior - door handles, dashboard, center console - have remained intact. Of course, this isnt to say that this particular model doesnt have its fair share of racing-grade upgrades; the cockpit is framed with a seamless roll cage, plus racing seats with harnesses and a 22-gallon race-spec fuel tank have been added. In terms of the powertrain, the FJ race truck uses the exact same 239-hp, 4.0-liter V6 as the road-ready version, although its got a custom exhaust system and a new filter to keep dust out of the internal combustion process.

Out of all the Toyota trucks currently on the market, the FJ Cruiser is the most appropriate to go boulder hopping, but just the same no production vehicle is capable of going through the torture that is the Baja 1000 unchanged. To ensure that the truck can cope with the terrain and high speeds, the team has installed special Donahoe suspension components with coilover springs and Fox Racing shock bypasses that have been tweaked to cope with such abusive terrain. More powerful brakes with dual master cylinders help the truck slow and stop, plus theyve been upgraded to deal with constant usage and the high demands from the racing driver. To get a grip on the dirt and sand the FJ rides on mammoth-sized 285/75R16 wheels and tires, with a 4.88 axle ratio front and back.

While we wont know how the FJ will fare until the event begins, consumers will be able to take part in the action by purchasing their very own limited edition version of the FJ Cruiser race truck. Tuned by TRD, this truck features a heavy-duty suspension and technical kit upgrade that consists of Bilstein dampers and 16-inch TRD wheels painted gunmetal. On trucks with manual transmissions, a short shifter for reduced throws has been installed, as has a custom exhaust system for improved performance. Oh, and the TRD version is only available in black, complete with a black roof, and black accent details. Better act quick if you want one, as only 3,200 units of the FJ Cruiser TRD will be made.
 
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