Choose My Secondary Home Defense Handgun

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by Kiln, Dec 20, 2016.

Which of these two firearms would you choose as a secondary home defense handgun?

  1. Hi Point JHP (9+1 .45 ACP)

    18 vote(s)
    81.8%

  2. Arminius HW357 (6 rounds .357 Magnum)

    4 vote(s)
    18.2%
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  1. Dec 22, 2016 #61
    greg_r

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    No, they are .451. Pre WWII were .454. The Bushmaster is .451. Barnes makes a 325 grain, which is about the heaviest bullet I can easily find in that caliber. The 458 SOCOM can use bullets from 300 to 600 grains.
     
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  3. Dec 22, 2016 #62
    tallbump

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    Probably mentioned in the article Kirk posted (ill have to go back and read it) but if a revolver does fail, chances are almost 100% it won't be a quick fix and the gun will be inoperable. However, if the semi auto fails, chances are very good a quick tap and rack will fix it.

    Between that and the higher capacity, I vote for the JHP
     
    tallbump, Dec 22, 2016
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  5. Dec 22, 2016 #63
    ajole

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    I keep telling people what you are saying here...but they don't seem to hear me.:eek:

    :rofl:

    But I really do agree with you. I'm just not sure my ears can handle the .357 for 3-5 shots without damage.
     
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  6. Dec 22, 2016 #64
    Bull

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    I know...... I'm actually surprised you haven't crocked some kind of medieval concoction out of rat droppings and elderberries that works...
     
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  7. Dec 22, 2016 #65
    Rachgier

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    Plenty of half to mostly deaf vets. Take it from a mostly deaf vet who's had crushed mastoid bones removed, ear drum replaced, 12 sets of tubes, and staring at a prescription for hearing aids.

    You're talking about a massive overpressure in your ears being dampened by a build up of excess fluid...which can't be compressed. It's actually going to cause more damage. And you don't notice the sound as much because of adrenaline.

    I've been seeing an otolaryngologyst since birth when I was diagnosed with a birth defect called laryngomalacia. Required surgery to correct. Passed it on to both of my boys too.

    Not a whole lot I dont know about the pathology of the ear.
     
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  8. Dec 22, 2016 #66
    backbencher

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    Good to know. That last sentence is why I bought my brother a .458" SOCOM upper.
     
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  9. Dec 22, 2016 #67
    greg_r

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    I assure you if you touch off a round inside at night, it will be the loudest sound you have ever heard.
     
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  10. Dec 22, 2016 #68
    backbencher

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    I thought a .22" LR revolver on the old NRA range in DC couldn't be that loud w/o ear pro. I was very wrong.
     
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  11. Dec 22, 2016 #69
    Rachgier

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    Don't lie, it will only sound like a mouse fart...
     
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  12. Dec 22, 2016 #70
    undeRGRound

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    SSSHHHhhh!!! That's his Secret Primer Compound! :mad:
     
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  13. Dec 22, 2016 #71
    cicpup

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    Had a Bersa Thunder go off around 4:00am. Entire family slept right through it.
     
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  14. Dec 22, 2016 #72
    Asher1

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    WHAT!?!? :confused:

    YOU SAY, YOU KEEP SMELLING FEAKLE WHAT YOUR PRAYING??? BUT THEY DON'T SEEM NEAR ME?!?!?! :p:p
     
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  15. Dec 22, 2016 #73
    SavageGuy

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    What happened?
     
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  16. Dec 22, 2016 #74
    cicpup

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    Gunsmithing while half asleep. Murdered a desk & double knotty pine wall and wounded a washing machine.
     
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  17. Dec 22, 2016 #75
    undeRGRound

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    :rolleyes:
     

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  18. Dec 22, 2016 #76
    undeRGRound

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    Was that the .380?

    Really, it could happen to anyone, good lesson for all of us!
    Cic-Pup is quite the gun builder, and it was a good lesson for me...
    I was moving 2 guns today, G34 (unloaded) and an M&P9, (loaded)
    and I really made sure I did not "assume" they were unloaded,
    even though I KNEW the G34 was! :eek:
     
    undeRGRound, Dec 22, 2016
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  19. Dec 22, 2016 #77
    Kiln

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    I had an ID once (idiotic discharge) but it was because I handed off a loaded gun to a moron.

    Glad nobody got hurt man, this is a reminder for us all to practice safe handling and specifically, be careful of muzzle direction.
     
    Kiln, Dec 22, 2016
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  20. Dec 22, 2016 #78
    planosteve

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    Duh, Plano
    I have had one also. It was my stupidity that caused it.
     
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  21. Dec 22, 2016 #79
    shepherd321

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    I shot a couple of guns off inside. 45acp & 38 spc
     
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  22. Dec 23, 2016 #80
    lklawson

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    Now I'm curious about herbal. :p

    While often less expensive, herbs aren't always so. But it's a good idea. :)

    Peace favor your sword (mobile)
     
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