[bumthum]

Thats would be a tough one. The rim on the 25acp sucks up some mag space. 13 or 14rds is probably doable. Either way the mag will need to be ribbed on the sides like the beretta 81 32acp magazine as apposed to the 380. Doubtful it will happen unless Keltec gets involved and they seem to be just finding ways to make things more fragile. Ruger just copies everyone else these days. I wish remington could have gotten their act together because they were doing some neat pistols that probably would have worked themselves out eventually. I am really curious who bought all the pistol tooling for the remington pistols. It would be nice if someone kept making them.

Firearms market has become so non creative and stale over the years there really isnt anything that interesting. Everything is just a glock knock off or a Keltec clone of some sort. So much for innovation.

In fairness, Ruger may copy, but they also normally improve a great deal. Case in point would be the LCP over the P3AT, world of difference in fit, finish, and QC. To that point, given that the SR-22 is more reliable copy of the Walther P22, I wouldn't be opposed to Ruger offering an SR-22 style pistol in .25, that seems doable, even if .25 was a dying cartridge until COVID hit.

I agree though, we need new blood in the small caliber pistol market. Gun sales and ownership have become such a massive economy that handguns are treated as a commodity now, like wheel bearings and windshield wipers, there's little incentive to innovate because what you make will sell (often above MSRP) so it makes little sense to take too much risk and invest in R&D for next step concepts. When there is innovation (e.g. the FK BRNO) it's far too expensive for the average consumer to enjoy... bummer, in my opinion.

 

[undeRGRound]

Thats would be a tough one. The rim on the 25acp sucks up some mag space. 13 or 14rds is probably doable. Either way the mag will need to be ribbed on the sides like the beretta 81 32acp magazine as apposed to the 380. Doubtful it will happen unless Keltec gets involved and they seem to be just finding ways to make things more fragile. Ruger just copies everyone else these days. I wish remington could have gotten their act together because they were doing some neat pistols that probably would have worked themselves out eventually. I am really curious who bought all the pistol tooling for the remington pistols. It would be nice if someone kept making them.

Firearms market has become so non creative and stale over the years there really isnt anything that interesting. Everything is just a glock knock off or a Keltec clone of some sort. So much for innovation.

Rimmed Cases? Oh crud...
You missed (or ignored) my obvious error, 25acp +P :rotfl:
No such animal, officially. But a .25 Caliber "high-pressure" round would make this
mythical hand cannon a worthy carry piece! Hi-Cap, Hi-Pressure, and so forth...

 

[undeRGRound]

In fairness, Ruger may copy, but they also normally improve a great deal. Case in point would be the LCP over the P3AT, world of difference in fit, finish, and QC. To that point, given that the SR-22 is more reliable copy of the Walther P22, I wouldn't be opposed to Ruger offering an SR-22 style pistol in .25, that seems doable, even if .25 was a dying cartridge until COVID hit.

I agree though, we need new blood in the small caliber pistol market. Gun sales and ownership have become such a massive economy that handguns are treated as a commodity now, like wheel bearings and windshield wipers, there's little incentive to innovate because what you make will sell (often above MSRP) so it makes little sense to take too much risk and invest in R&D for next step concepts. When there is innovation (e.g. the FK BRNO) it's far too expensive for the average consumer to enjoy... bummer, in my opinion.

If that FK BRuNO was with all 3 barrels (7.5, 9mm, 10mm) and 3x 9mm magazines for all around $1200 I'd be very interested. It's a sweet piece as-is but for all that I listed it would run about $2000 maybe?? Crazy price, and the 7.5 ammo is nuts too. But I love the performance it promises! :bounce:

 

[magnut]

Rimmed Cases? Oh crud...
You missed (or ignored) my obvious error, 25acp +P :rotfl:
No such animal, officially. But a .25 Caliber "high-pressure" round would make this
mythical hand cannon a worthy carry piece! Hi-Cap, Hi-Pressure, and so forth...

+p could be done on 25acp but the ammo makers wont do it becuase most 25s out there are older pistols useing substandard steel or zamak SNS guns. If anything the manufacturers make weaker 25acp than in the past. Now if a few companies started putting out newer 25s you might see companies like BB come up with some hot stuff. Seems like 22mag is more likely to see a lot of advancment than the 25acp now which I find really funny.

25acp is not a horrible round in itself even with modern ammo. Its just limited like any other round. Penetration for ball ammo is pretty solid in 25acp. You just accept that its a bug gun and you must depend on shot placement.

I wont carry a rimfire.... practice absolutely....for carry I will take a 25acp over any rimfire any day of the week. Primers matter! This whole notion of rimfires for carry went out in the 1800s as far as I am concerned. The only way I would ever carry a pistol in 22lr for defense is if someone came out with a specialty round that could be used in 22lr pistols and engineered a primer into the case. Then you could pactice with the cheap stuff and carry your defense ammo. Its a tricky proposition though and most people dont even understand the difference. Browning did.... thats why he tossed the rimfire and just created a whole new round. He couldnt make 22lr work either. The problem with most 22lr pocket guns is not the gun.... its the round. The same pistols in 25acp are almost always reliable and dependable.

I know you know a lot of this stuff already I just put lots of info out there for others to learn from. Dont take any of my posts as condescending. a lot of times its more of an information dump than a post directed at a certain individual. It makes it easier for people new to firearms in terms of learning/understanding.

 

[undeRGRound]

+p could be done on 25acp but the ammo makers wont do it becuase most 25s out there are older pistols useing substandard steel or zamak SNS guns. If anything the manufacturers make weaker 25acp than in the past. Now if a few companies started putting out newer 25s you might see companies like BB come up with some hot stuff. Seems like 22mag is more likely to see a lot of advancment than the 25acp now which I find really funny.

25acp is not a horrible round in itself even with modern ammo. Its just limited like any other round. Penetration for ball ammo is pretty solid in 25acp. You just accept that its a bug gun and you must depend on shot placement.

I wont carry a rimfire.... practice absolutely....for carry I will take a 25acp over any rimfire any day of the week. Primers matter! This whole notion of rimfires for carry went out in the 1800s as far as I am concerned. The only way I would ever carry a pistol in 22lr for defense is if someone came out with a specialty round that could be used in 22lr pistols and engineered a primer into the case. Then you could pactice with the cheap stuff and carry your defense ammo. Its a tricky proposition though and most people dont even understand the difference. Browning did.... thats why he tossed the rimfire and just created a whole new round. He couldnt make 22lr work either. The problem with most 22lr pocket guns is not the gun.... its the round. The same pistols in 25acp are almost always reliable and dependable.

I know you know a lot of this stuff already I just put lots of info out there for others to learn from. Dont take any of my posts as condescending. a lot of times its more of an information dump than a post directed at a certain individual. It makes it easier for people new to firearms in terms of learning/understanding.

It's all adding CONTEXT. Yes, you are preaching to the choir but I figured you know that. Not a lot of NEWBS here, most of those get scared off by the flying monkeys :rotfl: I tend to write like you do, but mostly on my paid blogging accounts. I make more by staking on those accounts, however. So there is that... I finally made a big cash-out on one account and bought GOLD good stuff! God's Money. Screw that paper stuff!

 

[magnut]

I am sure it comes off as condecending and arrogant to some when I quote people but most of the time the preaching to the choir is just meant for folks who are lurking and looking for info through the internet. I read a lot of books for info but in this day and age the majority of younger folks only use the internet. If I had the time and ability I would write books on this stuff.... nobody would read it.... but I would write it. I was actually trying to get 1911tuner to write a book on 1911s last year but he wont do it. He does put out excellent articles/blogs once in a while that I recommend folks take a look at that are curious on the platform.

Thats a big problem in Our world. knowledge doesnt get passed on and instead people choose opinionated pissing skunk contests. In the end little is learned and it becomes an endless loop of emotional stupidity.... maturity is never fully reached.....everyone is fighting..... morale is corrupted etc. etc. The result is endless misery.... which loves company as we all know....breeds to more misery...the cycle continues and feeds on itself. This is running rampant not just in the firearms community but all aspects of our lives.

 

[undeRGRound]

I am sure it comes off as condecending and arrogant to some when I quote people but most of the time the preaching to the choir is just meant for folks who are lurking and looking for info through the internet...

We actually get a lot of lurkers (or bots, or both) who never sign up so it's a good practice. We get a few more who will sign up and bring a Zombie back from YEARS AGO, which usually starts an old discussion all over again! Many times a new person will bring back an old post. The staff here is aware that we get lots of views on older posts. I think you've met our boi Rach already He tells us about the site analytics on occasion. I think your stuff is worth posting. I know when I go to a place for factual data, I like the detailed posts. Got my DEAGLE info that way. :thumbsup:

 

[RACHGIER]

We actually get a lot of lurkers (or bots, or both) who never sign up so it's a good practice. We get a few more who will sign up and bring a Zombie back from YEARS AGO, which usually starts an old discussion all over again! Many times a new person will bring back an old post. The staff here is aware that we get lots of views on older posts. I think you've met our boi Rach already He tells us about the site analytics on occasion. I think your stuff is worth posting. I know when I go to a place for factual data, I like the detailed posts. Got my DEAGLE info that way. :thumbsup:

76 bots, 37 guests with 3 tagged to Law Enforcement IP's, and at least 2 dozen foreign IP's.

So yeah. Most of our lurkers are bots, most of our guests are bots that haven't been flagged yet.

 

[cicpup]

37 guests with 3 tagged to Law Enforcement IP's,

And that's why I don't reply to stupid newbie threads like "How many guns do you own?".

 

[magnut]

you probably dont have much to worry about. I wouldnt stress out over it. I dont see anything illegal or shady going on here. It may just be LE bored at work reading about hi-points.

 

[moona11]

And that's why I don't reply to stupid newbie threads like "How many guns do you own?".

None.

 

[moona11]

you probably dont have much to worry about. I wouldnt stress out over it. I dont see anything illegal or shady going on here. It may just be LE bored at work reading about hi-points.

Says the under cover cop

 

[adam01364]

These aren't the Droids you're looking for.

 

[magnut]

Hey Adam.... Maybe you can educate me. I think you know by now I am not a tech guy and not that great with understanding some of this lingo. Is the Bot thing AI tracking or something? I hear this thrown around a lot for all kinds of things. Obvioussly its not a Robot. I have never done any social media other than forums so I dont have a grasp on it.

 

[adam01364]

I'm not a great tech guy either (far far from it), but from what I surmise, Bots are programs that browse the internet, looking at forums and blogs, etc. for specific content. Rach would know better than me.

My hunch is that the gubbermint alphabet boyz employ specialized Bots to catch nefarious folks who have an affinity for cheap Zamak.

I've never had a alphabet crew show, so I could be wrong. Wait a sec, there's somebody knocking on my door..

 

[magnut]

I'm not a great tech guy either (far far from it), but from what I surmise, Bots are programs that browse the internet, looking at forums and blogs, etc. for specific content. Rach would know better than me.

My hunch is that the gubbermint alphabet boyz employ specialized Bots to catch nefarious folks who have an affinity for cheap Zamak.

I've never had a alphabet crew show, so I could be wrong. Wait a sec, there's somebody knocking on my door..

well everything is recorded and stored so wouldnt everything anywhere on the net have bots attatched? Are all the different bot just different data gathering programs? You know... one program for predictions of social change..... another for program for corperations to identify potential customer markets..... another for key words related to potential acts of whatever. Is that what all these bots are? Just simple computer functions? Kind of like when I get notified someone has replied to a certain thread I posted in?

 

[missiledefender]

I am thinking of getting a Cobra/Bearman Derringer, has anyone played around with swapping barrels? Is it easy to do? Do you think it has been worth it? I am leaning towards the smaller calibers (22, 25, 32) but might be open to the bigger ones. Do you prefer the smaller or bigger calibers?

Thank you.

I have watched a few youtube vids on the new Beemans and reports are that the recoil and triggers are horrible.

For the size and weight, youre better off (IMHO) with a .32/.380 KelTec.

 

[magnut]

I have watched a few youtube vids on the new Beemans and reports are that the recoil and triggers are horrible.

For the size and weight, youre better off (IMHO) with a .32/.380 KelTec.

I dont have a bearman but I have to think the trigger is like any other derringer. You have to pull kind of down and back. Its just a quirk of the design. The first time I ever fired the little davis derringers I though the trigger was broken. Strange little adjustment to make. Once you figure it out its not bad.

Derringers are neat though. The davis/ cobra small caliber ones are tiny little things. I like them.

 

[undeRGRound]

And that's why I don't reply to stupid newbie threads like "How many guns do you own?".

"SHOW YOUR ARSENAL"

:stir:

 

[undeRGRound]

well everything is recorded and stored so wouldnt everything anywhere on the net have bots attatched? Are all the different bot just different data gathering programs? You know... one program for predictions of social change..... another for program for corperations to identify potential customer markets..... another for key words related to potential acts of whatever. Is that what all these bots are? Just simple computer functions? Kind of like when I get notified someone has replied to a certain thread I posted in?

Yes, you nailed it (so did Adam)
I have at least 2 of my own and admin perms on another Yuge (forum) and we not only have BOTS but many times we are swarmed by them and spammed. My biggest responsibility entails a very popular (forum) with many active members and a handful of enemies. So we get "attacked" from time to time. This latest attack was by advertising bots, but of course the ad was for a scam and potentially very costly to anyone falling victim to it. I attempted the usual fixes, but one of our channel owners has some bit settings on a defensive attack bot that are not set right, and the spammers have figured out an exploit. The owners are not quite "present" as they should be, so I had to get creative and make some major changes to the membership roles and settings. Like GWB on the carrier deck...
MISSION ACCOMPLISHED!!!

Some people also just have passive bots that collect "tips" whenever coins are passed out. We root those out too, and ban them. We have trained observers who help us a LOT!