CZ 52?

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gtv

Discussion Starter · Feb 22, 2009

My local gunshop may be getting in a case of cz52s next week. The dealer said they would be about $190 out the door. All I know about these particular guns is that they are 7.62x25... does anyone have any more info on them? CZs are known for their quality, but is this a good gun at a good price?

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Krippp

· #2 · Feb 22, 2009

Great guns, not so good price. I bought both of mine last year for $109 apiece and now I see that they are around $150. Ammo is cheap as long as you buy the corrosive milsurp stuff, but be warned, stay away from most Bulgarian and any that is loaded on stripper clips, they were intended for the SMG that used this round also and are loaded alot hotter. The 52 has an ungodly strong action for a pistol being that is a roller locking setup and is really a well crafted and highly engineered pistol especially for the time that it was produced, 1952 to 1954. Most were arsenal refinished and look almost new, I have 2, one was refurbed and the other wasn't but there isn't much difference in the appearence and none in the operation. Do not trust the decocker and do not dry fire it, the firing pins will be damaged very easily from dry firing but replacements are available. I have some vids on my page listed in my sig line of us shooting ours.

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HouLlama

· #3 · Feb 22, 2009

That may be a good deal, depending on what it comes with. Generally from the surplus sellers you get the gun, holster and 2 mags ( although some sellers keep the extra mag to sell separatly ). Can't tell from the SOG site about the accessories, but they are listed @ $160. If you don't have a C&R license, then by the time you bought one there and paid shipping and transfer fee, your well into or over the $190 mark. Great guns, built like a tank. Roller locked ( like an HK 91 ), recoil operated, SA, 8 rnd mag. Only 2 things to remember. 1) Don't dry-fire, that has been known to break firing pins. 2) Don't use surplus ammo that is sold in a 16 pack. ( mostly Bulgarian that is seen this way, its sub-machinegun ammo and is way too hot ). I use the Romainan that comes in a 72 rnd box that is available from a lot of places for at the range. I keep it loaded with some S&B here at the house. Best part is you'll get to do your own hand-picking.

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gtv

Discussion Starter · #4 · Feb 22, 2009

Thanks for the info guys... I am going to definitely take a look at them. I have no C&R yet, and with TN taxes and TBI reports, etc., $190 may not be too bad. Now that you mention it, he did say they had two magazines, though, so that is a plus. It looks like a pretty powerful round, too. Small bullet (looks like 85 gr. is average from what I can find) but it looks like it is generating 1647 f.p.s. velocity and 511 ft. lbs. energy at the muzzle... that is pretty stout for a pistol. Excellent videos, btw Krippp... I will be spending some time checking all of those out and being jealous.

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jet650

· #5 · Feb 23, 2009

Great guns, not so good price. I bought both of mine last year for $109 apiece and now I see that they are around $150. Ammo is cheap as long as you buy the corrosive milsurp stuff, but be warned, stay away from most Bulgarian and any that is loaded on stripper clips, they were intended for the SMG that used this round also and are loaded alot hotter. The 52 has an ungodly strong action for a pistol being that is a roller locking setup and is really a well crafted and highly engineered pistol especially for the time that it was produced, 1952 to 1954. Most were arsenal refinished and look almost new, I have 2, one was refurbed and the other wasn't but there isn't much difference in the appearence and none in the operation. Do not trust the decocker and do not dry fire it, the firing pins will be damaged very easily from dry firing but replacements are available. I have some vids on my page listed in my sig line of us shooting ours.

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The CZ-52 is quite the fire breathing dragon at the indoor range, and will turn some heads for sure. but the price does seem to be a bit steep IMHO for that kind of coin you can get the CZ-82
never the less the 52 is a great pistol and still cheap to soot

Jet

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Silicon Wolverine

· #6 · Feb 23, 2009

for 200$ you can have a romy or polish tokarev. i wouldnt buy unless it under 170 ish.

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· #7 · Feb 25, 2009

some of the ammo you can buy is "machine gun ammo" is a urban myth.

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Krippp

· #8 · Feb 25, 2009

some of the ammo you can buy is "machine gun ammo" is a urban myth.

Oh please, do tell us where you get this information from. I really can't wait to hear this source.

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jet650

· #9 · Feb 25, 2009

some of the ammo you can buy is "machine gun ammo" is a urban myth.

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Oh please, do tell us where you get this information from. I really can't wait to hear this source.

I would like to know the source as well, The research I have done indacates the rounds on the stripper clips are for the SMG as far as the Bulgarian round there seems to be split in thinking some sites say it's ok to use in the CZ-52 some say no

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· #10 · Feb 26, 2009

take a "known subgun round" and break it down measure the case .the powder weight ,ect, all the same . now having said that their might be some old stuff that was stored in a way that makes the powder a little hotter and you might feel it in recoil, in a light gun like the 52 but ALL 7.62x25 has the same milspec except some use the 3 punch crimp .

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Krippp

· #11 · Feb 26, 2009

How do you store something like ammo in a way that makes the powder hotter? do a little more research before stating things such as "all 7.62X25 has the same milspec", that is not a correct statement according to any authority that has ever reported about those rounds. The 52 can handle those subgun rounds alot better than the tokarevs due to the 52 having a much more robust roller locking assembly, but to say that all X25's are the same is simply incorrect and uninformed.

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· #12 · Feb 26, 2009

i totally agree a 52 can handel a hot round better than most it has a subgun roler action !!! rounde kept in hot enviors tend to burn faster than those kept cool .primers also ..

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Krippp

· #13 · Feb 26, 2009

according to the 7th edition of Military small arms of the 20th century it says this cartridge was specifically designed for the samopal 24 and samopal 26 ( the difference between the two being one had a fixed stock and the other a folding one) . These submachineguns look kind of like an uzi in that the magazine is placed inside the pistol grip of the weapon. The book says "the cz24 and 26 replaced the earlier cz23 and and 25 the only difference being the change to the caliber". The book says "The later guns fire the 7.62mm Soviet pistol cartridge but, in the case of these submachineguns, it is ammunition made in czechoslovakia and loaded to give a higher velocity than the original Russian form."

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