Deer

Discussion in 'General Hi-Point Discussion' started by elt51932, Dec 9, 2015.

  1. elt51932

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    Anyone take a deer with a 4595? I'm interested to know how a .45 acp round would do.
     
  2. ive saw people do it. distance would be an issue. head yes easy. body would be different
     

  3. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    I will tell you right now, check your local state hunting laws for Pistol calibers and what bullet requirements they may have. I highly suspect you may find that a SP or HP bullet may be required.
     
  4. elt51932

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    All that's required is that it shoots straight wall cartridges. I planned on shooting with holes points. I was just curious as to if it would be effective at killing the deer.
     
  5. are rimless or (auto) rounds condsidred straight walled?

    I was always under the interpretation that straight walled meant a Rimmed non tapered cartridge. IE 357MAG, 44MAG etc. I tried looking up a definition but didnt find much more than Ohio's law. Which calls out straight walled aswell. but then lists the calibers starting at 357MAG.

    Source:

    Specific straight-walled cartridge rifles are legal for use during Ohio’s 2014 deer-gun and youth deer-gun seasons.

    These specific straight-walled cartridge rifles are legal for deer hunting: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .38 Special, .375 Super Magnum, .375 Winchester, .38-55, .41 Long Colt, .41 Magnum, .44 Special, .44 Magnum, .444 Marlin, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Long Colt, .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Smith & Wesson, .454 Casull, .460 Smith & Wesson, .45-70, .45-90, .45-110, .475 Linebaugh, .50-70, .50-90, .50-100, .50-110 and .500 Smith & Wesson. Shotguns and straight-walled cartridge rifles may have no more than three shells in the magazine and chamber combined while deer hunting.
     
  6. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    45 acp listed right there.:-\
     
  7. Well It got lost in a sea or revolver cartridges.... SHUT UP MOONZY

    I was wrong.

    Still, does anyone have a definition of straight walled? Doesn't make sense as a limiting factor there are plenty of tapered cartridges with as much power as a straight walled.

    But game commission's often make nonsensical rules
     
  8. Outlaw

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    Back in the day....waaay back, I had known hunters to use only .22 LR or .410 buck/slugs for deer hunting..and successful at it. It was a cost factor. Country folks were poor back then. They hunted in thick bush which normally resulted in very short range shooting. Would I do it? no. Unless out of necessity. Then again, I went pheasant hunting in England with a .410. Freakin Bloke pal of mine suckered me in to it. I hit one and he had to take it out with a 12 ga. :foilhat:
     
  9. elt51932

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    Here's the difference
     

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  10. elt51932

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    Ohio just legalized pistol caliber rifles last year.
     
  11. Youll notice the straight wall example is rimmed, while the taperd is rimless.

    So where does 45ACP really fall? its not taperd, but it IS rimless
     
  12. GLUGLUG

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    tapered and bottle-necked are different. 9mm is tapered, 357 sig is bottle-necked.
     
  13. Not2ManyGuns

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    When this rule first came out, I noticed that .40 S&W wasn't on this list. Since then, I've wondered if that was an a slip up or if it was intentional.
     
  14. OldOutlaw

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    Iowa and I think some other states are a bit more specific. Bullet usage is very spelled out.


    Handguns: Center-fire handguns .357 caliber
    or larger, shooting straight wall ammunition
    with an expanding-type bullet. Minimum barrel
    length for all handguns is 4 inches. No shoulder
    stock or long barrel modifications are allowed.
    Only the following center-fire cartridges may
    be used: .357 Magnum, .357 Maximum, .375
    Winchester, .38 Super, .40 S&W, .401 Powermag,
    10 mm Auto, .41 Remington Magnum, .41
    Action Express, .44 S&W Special, .44 Remington
    Magnum, .44 Automag, .444 Marlin, .445
    Super Mag, .45 ACP, .45 Colt, .45 Super Mag,
    .45 Winchester Magnum, .45 Silhouette, .451
    Detonics, .454 Casull, .45-70 Govt., .460
    Rowland, .460 S&W Mag, .475 Widley Magnum,
    .475 Linebaugh, .480 Ruger, .50 Action
    Express, .50 Linebaugh, .50 Beowulf and .500
    S&W Mag.
    Hunters age 16 and under may not use
    any handguns. Hunters ages 17 through 20
    must be accompanied by a parent, guardian
    or spouse who is at least 21 years old to use
    a handgun.
     
  15. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    I love you to :-*
     
  16. elt51932

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    I don't think the rim had anything to do with the cartridge being straight walled. That was just a random picture I pulled from Google.
     
  17. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    I can only guess they don't want cartridges that would essentially be a high powered rifle. Say .357sig, 7.62 Tok and other bottle neck cartridges.
     
  18. Fracman

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    I want to see someone shoot a 45-90, 45-110, 50-90, 50-100, and 50-110 pistol. Maybe there is a TC contender barrel that is pistol length in these calibers. I believe that is the reason for say straight wall so someone does not take a TC contender in a rifle cartridges like 308 or 7-30 Waters. If that state has a handgun season then someone can have more advantage over guys that want to use a traditional pistol. North Dakota does not have a handgun season. They do have a muzzleloader seasons the traditional guys want to get rid of these new fangled muzzleloaders that use shotgun primers or disks. They want flintlocks or cap and ball to be the only guns used during that season.
     
  19. elt51932

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    In ohio, you can use a hand gun during the regular gun season. They j just recently added handgun caliber rifles to the list least year. Most people poetically yard a 44 mag for handguns though.
     
  20. Those are actually the listed calibers for Rifles.

    For the longest time In ohio they were not allowed Rifled for Deer season. Shot gun and handgun only.

    A few years back they opend up Pistol caliber Rifles. And that is what those Calibers reflect.