[waltham41]

Ive said it before and Ill say it again. It takes less than a second to pull back the slide and let go and be ready to fire if you have a loaded mag and safety off.

If that time costs me my life, I was probably screwed anyway.

It takes time to take your weapon off of safe too.

Just a matter of personal preference.

 

[Guest]

With my HP, no I keep mag in, safety off, chamber empty.

With my Bersa Thunder, which is my carry piece, yes i carry one in the chamber.

 

[oldnoob]

i don't carry so none of my gun have chambered. unless in the future i get a 1911, i don't think i'll ever chamber a round in my guns.

 

[shelbyzman]

whats the difference between carrying other striker-fired pistols (one in chamber) like the glock/kel-tecs as to a hi-point with one in the chamber?
Is there anything that makes the hi-point less safe than the glock or kel-tec??

 

[gunnut]

I believe the keltec has an internal hammer. At least I can see it when I pull the trigger. I can only speak of the P11 model. As far as my KelTec goes, I carry one in the chamber and 10 in the mag. The trigger pull is so heavy on this gun, I couldn't accidentally shoot it if I wanted to. I don't carry the HP, so no ammo at all until I'm ready to shoot. I also carry my NAA mini revolver in the summer, loaded of course.

 

[Guest]

The differemce

Most striker fired weapons such as the Glock and Kel-Tec are not fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The HP is difference in this respect. The HP is fully cocked and read to fire. The manual safety blocks both the trigger and firing pin.

If you carry without a round in the chamber with the intent of quickly drawing, racking and firing the weapon. I hope that you practice and drill quite a bit. I doubt that you will able to complete these steps in a panic situation. Case and point, a maniac with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet and deliver several blows, before most people are able to draw and fire.

Below are some links that you might find of interest to read on the subject of the "21 Foot Rule"

http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/200403-21_FT_Rule.pdf

https://www.wa-protective.com/flash/reference/How close.pdf

Edged Weapon Defense: Is or was the 21-foot rule valid? (Part 1)

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/ForceScience/articles/102828/

Edged Weapon Defense: Is or was the 21-foot rule valid? (Part 2)

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/ForceScience/articles/113907/

 

[waltham41]

Re: The differemce

Most striker fired weapons such as the Glock and Kel-Tec are not fully cocked until the trigger is pulled. The HP is difference in this respect. The HP is fully cocked and read to fire. The manual safety blocks both the trigger and firing pin.

If you carry without a round in the chamber with the intent of quickly drawing, racking and firing the weapon. I hope that you practice and drill quite a bit. I doubt that you will able to complete these steps in a panic situation. Case and point, a maniac with a knife can cover the distance of 21 feet and deliver several blows, before most people are able to draw and fire.

Below are some links that you might find of interest to read on the subject of the "21 Foot Rule"

http://www.ar15.com/content/swat/200403-21_FT_Rule.pdf

https://www.wa-protective.com/flash/reference/How close.pdf

Edged Weapon Defense: Is or was the 21-foot rule valid? (Part 1)

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/ForceScience/articles/102828/

Edged Weapon Defense: Is or was the 21-foot rule valid? (Part 2)

http://www.policeone.com/writers/columnists/ForceScience/articles/113907/

That is where I would probably be a goner no matter how I carried, if I carried.

My weapons are for HD, and I would have ample time to put a round in the chamber as I looked to see what the dogs were barking about.

 

[Guest]

I work in a semi-war zone so condition 1 (cocked & locked) is the only way I carry! and I do practice at home with the weapon empty drawing and releasing the safety as I draw. I also have a loaded shotgun (20" imp cyl loaded with 00buck) in the corner where I work most of the time and it's condition 1 as well.

 

[waltham41]

Don't take me wrong, I definitely agree that if the tactical situation outweighs safety concerns, then you have to do what is most likely the best bet for saving your life.

Good example would be on patrol in Iraq. One in the tube? Hell yeah.

I just could not see carrying loaded hot in a home town that has not had a shooting in the last 20 years. You are more apt to be hurt or killed by a AD in that case than you are by a bad guy

 

[ColopatironXV]

I keep my cf380 empty full mag.
I keep my new tuarus 627 full cus its nice and easy to pull a hammer back upon draw!!

 

[Thorn 242]

full mag...1 in the chamber....saftey on....locked in gun cabinet