Epic fail!

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by lklawson, Jul 31, 2020.

  1. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    So I decided to try my hand at the do-it-yourself ballistic gel. I couldn't find the unflavored Knox gelatin so I just bought a giant mess of store-brand flavored Jell-O. Mostly cherry. I followed the online how to recipes and made 3 gallons worth in a large plastic sterilite container. Basically a giant Jell-O jiggler. Or so I thought. I set it up overnight in the fridge and when I took it out to the range it had a consistency just as wet as regular Jello. Not sure why but it definitely wasn't as thick and stiff as the stuff was supposed to be. I decided to try to shoot it anyway. The first-round blew it into a giant red puddle. It splattered all over.

    I guess the lesson is that I actually have to go find the regular unflavored Knox gelatin.

    Lesson learned.

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  2. Too bad you didn't record a video of that. That would have been hilarious
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  3. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    Did you at least blow it up with one of your reloads?
    Tell the other guys you loaded it “kinda hot”.
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  4. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

    Or tell them he developed a custom 9mm round that puts 10mm to shame.
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  5. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    actually, yes. That was the whole point of trying it. I bought some hard cast lead hollow points that claim they'll expand at pistol velocities. I wanted to find out. Sadly, I could not find the bullet to verify if it was true or not.

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  6. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    I think you could claim they expanded alright.
    The evidence is clearly there.
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  7. IIRC, you use a lot less water with regular jello.... o_O
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  8. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    if they had drilled a 9 mm hole through it the way FMJ does I doubt it would have exploded like that. The circumstantial evidence seems to imply either expansion or fragmentation. but without being able to have a good medium or recover the bullets I don't know how much or little they may have expanded, if they fragmented, or how deeply they may have gone.

    So, while there is evidence of some sort of hydrostatic upset, it is not proof. I would have liked that. I'll have to try again later.

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  9. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    I did. Roughly 3 times less, unless I miss calculated.

    I used 57 oz. of jell mix (about 19 three oz boxes) to the 3 gallons.

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  10. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    2 cups of water per 3oz pack at 19 packs is 38 cups of water.
    16 cups in a gallon with 3 gallons is 48 cups of water.

    You went way the hell overboard.
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  11. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    For regular Jello, yes. But most of the online instructionals say that for the do-it-yourself "ballistic gel" using Knox gelatin to use around 16 oz of powder per gallon.

    Yet it still wasn't thick like DIY ballistic gel. My only conclusion is that it must be the flavor Jello packets and I have to use the unflavored Knox powder.

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  12. I really don't think the flavor would have anything to do with it. I would start small - use one packet with 1/2 the water in a red Solo cup. Check the consistency then adjust and remake accordingly. Once you have an acceptable consistency on a small scale then scale it up and you should be ok. I say 'should' because some recipes don't scale on a linear basis. Happens a lot in cooking. But for sure don't start out with a 5g bucket when first making it. Never try a new recipe you've never done on anyone you want to impress - always do a small test run.
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  13. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

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    Regular Jello brand gelatin is probably over 90% sugar by weight. You needed to cut the water a LOT. When you make the “jigglers”, you use just more than half the normal water, like Chef Duane said.
    But if you used Sugar free, the weights are different, even though the water requirement is the same. So...maybe that would have worked better using your weight ratios?

    Point being, doing “Jello” by weight was a mistake, relative to “gelatin”.
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  14. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    To quote myself from my first post, "I guess the lesson is that I actually have to go find the regular unflavored Knox gelatin." :) :D

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  15. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

    Instead of complicated gelatin mixture, it might just be easier to use leather over pork ribs, followed by pork steak pectorals, a bag of oranges to simulate lung tissue, followed by more pork ribs, all surrounded by a t-shirt, and followed by a high-tech fleece bullet stop.
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  16. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    And yet every one I've seen calls for a second melt down and remold to get the air bubbles out created by the stirring during the first set period and increase the density. Did you do a remelt and mold, or just pour straight in and call it good?

    Not to mention the fact that if you knew regular jello was crap at 2c:3oz, why would you then increase the water? If anything you should have seen what the base recipe did or decreased the water.

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    mISQUOTED THERE..............
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  18. histed

    histed Supporting Member

    You beat me to it, Trashy
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  19. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    I didn't. I decreased the water. I increased the ratio of powder to water by more than 500%

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  20. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Because that wouldn't tell me what I wanted to know.

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