Excessive Use of Force?

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by Hermitt, Jun 8, 2015.

  1. Hermitt

    Hermitt Hey! Get Off My Lawn! Member

    SWAT Team Nearly Destroys Man’s House Trying to Catch Armed Shoplifting Suspect, and He’s Livid: ‘This Is the Act of Paramilitary Thugs’

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    (video at link....) http://www.theblaze.com/stories/201...-livid-this-is-the-act-of-paramilitary-thugs/

    (one commenter said that the youth had stolen a 6-pack of beer!) :eek:
     
  2. GLUGLUG

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    What the F*?! Armed shoplifting? I gotta say I'm amazed they waited 20 hours. I figured it'd be more like 20 min.
    There better be a new house coming to this man...
     

  3. thundercroozer

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    Wow, all that for shoplifting,, I'm glad it wasn't something allot more serious,, they may have had to level the whole neighborhood.
     
  4. I am grateful the mother, and child were not harmed. But they were in danger with a armed suspect in the home, and their safety, and officer safety came before the house. That said somebody should pick up the costs of rebuilding the home, and replacing lost, or damaged property. Not being there I have a hard time saying they used to much force.
     
  5. planosteve

    planosteve Lifetime Supporter

    What no air strike? Wimpy cops. :)
     
  6. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    Am I the only one looking beyond the shoplifting comment and seeing the armed robbery suspect barricaded with a hostage scenario?
     
  7. FlashBang

    FlashBang I Stand With Talon Lifetime Supporter

    Nope.... key word to it all is "armed".
     
  8. cicpup

    cicpup Resident PITA Supporting Member

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    No you are not.


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    Knock! Knock!
     
  9. Back2School

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    I would like more details. The key thing I read was:

    If he was threatening the officers with his gun, or had already fired a shot, they are completely justified with everything they did. Anytime after he fired (or brandished) they are justified in using the force they did.

    Now if they started blowing things up because they knew he had a gun in the house because of a CCW, permit or anything of the sort, they are out of line with what they did. Honestly, if he had not been threatening anyone (just refusing to come out and they started blowing up his house) I have no issue with him defending himself.

    And yes, the city should be responsible for the damage.
     
  10. Bull

    Bull Just a Man Supporting Member

    What I've heard on talk radio was that shots had been fired at the police....
     
  11. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    No you're not Rach.
    Armed suspect barricaded with possible hostages.
    I'm honestly amazed it took them 20 hrs.
    Justified by me.
    City owes him the repairs.
    Don't buy the engagement ring story though.
    Folks let's try and not turn this into a discussion about "jackbooted thugs" and all that paranoia BS.
    They waited 20 hrs WTF.......
     
  12. cicpup

    cicpup Resident PITA Supporting Member

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    They needed the overtime.
     
  13. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member


    Two major points it would appear you missed.

    1. It wasn't his house at all.
    2. 9 year old hostage.
     
  14. Back2School

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    My bad. I read it as Seacat rented from Lech (reading comprehension FTW) and the kid was never listed in the quotes as a hostage. I read it to be the Renter's kid (which see above I thought was Seacat).

    Makes all the more reason they need to pay for house....
     
  15. Rachgier

    Rachgier Administrator Staff Member

    Most certainly, but I think it's going to take some big money and a good lawyer to get them to pay for it.
     
  16. Think1st

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    It does suck for the homeowner and his son. Nevertheless, the armed thug who used a gun to steal a six-pack of beer and then shot at police was a threat, and something had to be done. Breeching structures against an armed suspect rarely is a clean operation. The city really should do something to defray the repair costs, as SWAGSter already said. Filing insurance claims causes rates to go up, so it is hardly a magical wave of the wand.

    Two other notes:

    1) I also am sceptical of the wedding ring claim.

    2) The paper tried to downplay the reason for the police raid on the guy's home. There is no such thing as "armed shoplifting." When you use a gun, it is armed "robbery." The writer is a joke. Creative license is okay for fiction, but it is not okay for the news.
     
  17. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    Justified !!!!
     
  18. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    Man, DooD!
    When are you due to be back in the U$A???
    I hope you get back before the SHTF, T1st!
    I'll be sad if you get shut out... :(

    Might be safer outside, however... :eek::eek::foilhat:
     
  19. undeRGRound

    undeRGRound ROLL wif Da MOLE! Supporting Member

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    U just wish u got to play, too! :D
     
  20. Think1st

    Think1st Supporting Member

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    Next year. I hope that things don't get too out of control.