Facebook fuels broad privacy debate by tracking non-users

Discussion in 'Lounge' started by adam01364, Apr 15, 2018.

  1. adam01364

    adam01364 Lifetime Supporter

    SAN FRANCISCO (Reuters) - Concern about Facebook Inc’s (FB.O) respect for data privacy is widening to include the information it collects about non-users, after Chief Executive Mark Zuckerberg said the world’s largest social network tracks people whether they have accounts or not.

    Privacy concerns have swamped Facebook since it acknowledged last month that information about millions of users wrongly ended up in the hands of political consultancy Cambridge Analytica, a firm that has counted U.S. President Donald Trump’s 2016 electoral campaign among its clients.

    Zuckerberg said on Wednesday under questioning by U.S. Representative Ben Luján that, for security reasons, Facebook also collects “data of people who have not signed up for Facebook.”

    Lawmakers and privacy advocates immediately protested the practice, with many saying Facebook needed to develop a way for non-users to find out what the company knows about them.

    “We’ve got to fix that,” Representative Luján, a Democrat, told Zuckerberg, calling for such disclosure, a move that would have unclear effects on the company’s ability to target ads. Zuckerberg did not respond. On Friday Facebook said it had no plans to build such a tool.
    Critics said that Zuckerberg has not said enough about the extent and use of the data. “It’s not clear what Facebook is doing with that information,” said Chris Calabrese, vice president for policy at the Center for Democracy & Technology, a Washington advocacy group.

    Facebook gets some data on non-users from people on its network, such as when a user uploads email addresses of friends. Other information comes from “cookies,” small files stored via a browser and used by Facebook and others to track people on the internet, sometimes to target them with ads. “This kind of data collection is fundamental to how the internet works,” Facebook said in a statement to Reuters.

    Asked if people could opt out, Facebook added, “There are basic things you can do to limit the use of this information for advertising, like using browser or device settings to delete cookies. This would apply to other services beyond Facebook because, as mentioned, it is standard to how the internet works.”

    Facebook often installs cookies on non-users’ browsers if they visit sites with Facebook “like” and “share” buttons, whether or not a person pushes a button. Facebook said it uses browsing data to create analytics reports, including about traffic to a site. The company said it does not use the data to target ads, except those inviting people to join Facebook.

    Advocates and lawmakers say they are singling out Facebook because of its size, rivaled outside China only by Alphabet Inc’s (GOOGL.O) Google, and because they allege Zuckerberg was not forthcoming about the extent and reasons for the tracking.
    “He’s either deliberately misunderstanding some of the questions, or he’s not clear about what’s actually happening inside Facebook’s operation,” said Daniel Kahn Gillmor, a senior staff technologist at the American Civil Liberties Union.

    Zuckerberg, for instance, said the collection was done for security purposes, without explaining further or saying whether it was also used for measurement or analytics, Gillmor said, adding that Facebook had a business incentive to use the non-user data to target ads.
    Facebook declined to comment on why Zuckerberg referred to security only.

    Gillmor said Facebook could build databases on non-users by combining web browsing history with uploaded contacts. Facebook said on Friday that it does not do so.
    The ACLU is pushing U.S. lawmakers to enact broad privacy legislation including a requirement for consent prior to data collection.

    The first regulatory challenge to Facebook’s practices for non-users may come next month when a new European Union law, known as the General Data Protection Regulation (GDPR), takes effect and requires notice and consent prior to data collection.
    At a minimum, “Facebook is going to have to think about ways to structure their technology to give that proper notice,” said Woodrow Hartzog, a Northeastern University professor of law and computer science.

    Facebook said in its statement on Friday, “Our products and services comply with applicable law and will comply with GDPR.”
    The social network would be wise to recognize at least a right to know, said Michael Froomkin, a University of Miami law professor.
    “If I’m not a Facebook user, I ought to have a right to know what data Facebook has about me,” Froomkin said.

    Source: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-...cy-debate-by-tracking-non-users-idUSKBN1HM0DR
  2. adam01364

    adam01364 Lifetime Supporter

    Cue Gomer Pyle: Surprise, surprise surprise

  3. Zorba

    Zorba "The Veiled Male" Member

    One more time people: Stay the Hell off that site - and others like it such as TWITter, and clear all cache and cookies regularly. I even have a dohickie that blocks any content served from there, such as like buttons or links to the site. Hopefully, that will help with at least some cookies as well. I won't even allow links from there to go through to my personal website, they're blocked at the server level.
  4. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

    NE Utah
    What we REALLY need is SO MUCH DATA to hit them showing us to be the majority, that they decide to go to bat FOR us. If they see a large number of potential customers being driven away, they will change; as it is, they see nothing in it for them if they change track, so they stay on their agenda.
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  5. MaryB

    MaryB Supporting Member

    It is going to cost them... this will spread nation wide...

    Facebook could reportedly face billions of dollars in fines over their facial recognition features due to an Illinois law relating to the collection of biometric data.
    A federal judge has ruled that a class action lawsuit including millions of Facebook users can proceed with their claims that the social media firm violated an Illinois law relating to the collection and storage of biometric data without users consent, according to Bloomberg. Millions of social media users could potentially sue Facebook for violations of the Illinois Biometric Information Privacy Act of 2008 (BIPA) which holds a fine of $1,000 to $5,000 each time a user’s photo is used without permission. This could result in Facebook paying out billions of dollars.

  6. Zorba

    Zorba "The Veiled Male" Member

    I hope they crash and burn.
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  7. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    Yes, this is exactly what does most of the damage. Those cookies report every place you go on the net and to who! Sure, you can clear your own cookies from your browser. But you will never get the deep hidden ones.

    Same as our topics here on what many advertisers with CMG were doing. I posted a number of scans showing several hundred in an hour or less some times. I will recommend once again the same program to basically minimize any cookies and destroy them. Especially if you use ANY Social Media at all.


    I use the Professional version. Hell, $19.95 per year is a super good rate. Try the Free version first. See how many cookies it finds on the first scan. The bad ones.

    I set my Professional one to scan automatically every single hour. I also turned on the Real Time recognition of what is happening.
  8. rmuniz9336

    rmuniz9336 Member

    I never cared for Facebook, never had an account much to the chagrin of my kids. Frankly, I've never understood the interest in posting one's life out there.
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  9. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

    NE Utah
    It's useful for certain things. My extended family uses a page to coordinate reunions and such, it's nice, all of the discussions are there, we can all see and get the same info, and contact everyone in one shot rather than multiple emails or messages.

    But I hate it for any type of business use, and personal stuff? What a joke.:rolleyes:
  10. histed

    histed Supporting Member

    Outlaw - how's that effect your browsing? Sites shut you down for not taking their cookies? Gonna try this, I think, but I wanna know what I in for. @OldOutlaw
  11. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    Does not effect any of my browsing. I do not set it up to run when turning the computer on though. Slows Windows start up.
    In scheduling section, I schedule it as often as I wish. AND, for what ever scan intensity I want. Been using this program for quite a few years now and never a glitch. If you download it, get me on a PM if you want recommendations on best way to set it to work for you. Once set, it is fully automatic for you.

    This thing gets those cookies that are actually spyware.
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  12. adam01364

    adam01364 Lifetime Supporter

    Thanks, Outlaw. I installed it last night. It cleaned up a pile of deep hidden cookies, took about 45 minutes. Uncle Ted, it hasn't affected my browsing at all.
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  13. OldOutlaw

    OldOutlaw Supporting Member

    Did you set it to scan auto at times you select?

    Did that 45 include install time? Or, did you just have that many spy cookies you didn't know about?
  14. MaryB

    MaryB Supporting Member

    Spybot is another program for cookie blocking. Keep whichever you use updated weekly because new tracking cookies come out all the time.
  15. histed

    histed Supporting Member

    I intend to install this tonight on my laptop. Probably be buggin' you on PM

    Thanks, Adam. You're a good nephew. Now, just remember me when you want to sell a Raven
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  16. Pistolkitty

    Pistolkitty Supporting Member

    What about cookies on phones? I don't even own a computer. Big brother Google seems to know everything. Ill be talking about something with someone in real life and later on an ad related to it pops into my facebook feed.
  17. histed

    histed Supporting Member

    Zuckerburg and company, PK. They watch everything
  18. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    You can get mobile versions