After putting the first tank of gas through my Yaris and filling it up, I calculated the mileage and came up with 31.53MPG. Obviously you guys were right about not trying to calc it based on the gas meter the car has (I estimated 40 based on that) but 31.5MPG is definitely an improvement over the 12 I was getting with my Ranger. Do you guys think it will improve after the engine breaks in? The Toyota guys said they generally have a 1000-1500 mile break-in period. Right now I have 556 on it, which is a right nifty number.
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Filled the Yaris up after 350 miles...31.53MPG
Wow, you've put 556 miles on it already? How long is your commute? I put 25,000 on my Aveo in the last year.
My car definitely got better mileage after breaking in but I also started driving it better... however my research says that you do as a general rule get better mileage after break-in.
I used to be into hyper-miling when I was frequently driving between Illinois and Ohio before I got married - highest pump-calculated mileage I ever got was about 42. There are a lot of other benefits to hyper-miling though... with 71,600 on the odo now my front brakes are only 50% worn (20% in the back) - and those are the OEM brakes! Of course I don't really hyper-mile anymore since I just want to get home after work, but some of the principals stick with you and make you a better driver.
When my car wears out down the road I just might be looking for a used Yaris if yours holds up well! When I was buying my car (Jan 07) they didn't have the Yaris here yet.</ramble>
My car definitely got better mileage after breaking in but I also started driving it better... however my research says that you do as a general rule get better mileage after break-in.
I used to be into hyper-miling when I was frequently driving between Illinois and Ohio before I got married - highest pump-calculated mileage I ever got was about 42. There are a lot of other benefits to hyper-miling though... with 71,600 on the odo now my front brakes are only 50% worn (20% in the back) - and those are the OEM brakes! Of course I don't really hyper-mile anymore since I just want to get home after work, but some of the principals stick with you and make you a better driver.
When my car wears out down the road I just might be looking for a used Yaris if yours holds up well! When I was buying my car (Jan 07) they didn't have the Yaris here yet.</ramble>
How do you hypermile? I've got some of the basics down, such as accelerating slowly, coasting to a stop, etc, and I have a manual transmisison, so I can pop it into neutral and coast, but I'd kinda like to know how I can improve efficiency even more...
I think this would be the topic to have that discussion in, after all.
I think this would be the topic to have that discussion in, after all.
I generally try not to let the RPMs get above 2100 unless there's one of those occasions where you have to to merge into traffic. Even "slow" acceleration is about the same as really juicing it in my old Ranger though.
For me, work is only about 5 miles away, and college is about 6 so I don't have a long way to go each day. I do do a fair bit of heavy driving on the weekends though. I generally put about 150 miles per weekend in.
For me, work is only about 5 miles away, and college is about 6 so I don't have a long way to go each day. I do do a fair bit of heavy driving on the weekends though. I generally put about 150 miles per weekend in.
There are some sites about it, which I can't recommend since I never got involved with them, but I can tell you you'll learn some cool stuff, be scared of some of the things you'll read, and also hear a lot of ecohippy stuff that you may or may not care for.
The extent of my hypermiling knowledge is basically:* Keep the revs low - under 2K if possible
* Skip gears if you can, although this can be hard depending on your car and if you are keeping revs low (eg shift 1st, 3rd, 5th)
* Use cruise control
* Don't use cruise control (what?)
- Basically, cruise control is "dumb" and will accelerate on uphill grades and waste inertia on downhills - if you have a steady foot, keeping constant throttle and allowing the car to slow/speed with the terrain (within reason) is the most efficient
* Shut the engine off whenever possible, such as: at lights, in the drive-thru, and any other time your car will be stopped for more than 10-20 seconds
* If you're brave (or stupid, depending on your POV), shut the car off when coasting to a stop - definitely NOT recommended for automatic transmissions
* If you're REALLY brave (or REALLY stupid, depending on your POV), snuggle up behind trucks on the highway to draft them
* If you have thick skin, go at or under the speed limit (but only when people behind you have the option to pass - don't be a d*ck)
* Common sense things: avoid rush hour, take alternate routes that avoid stop signs and lights
* Don't slow down more than you need to for turns... this is also a pet peeve of mine, people who slow down to 5 mph to make a normal turn are annoying
Are you serious? While that is roughly double what my ZR2 gets....it's just over what my Camaro got. I had all kinds of motor, meanest cam I could fit in the block, and stupid 4:56 gears. All backed by a Borg T-56. And got about 280-285 miles from the 10 gallon fuel cell. That puts my math right at 28mpg. And I ran 11s all day and night...then cruised home with the AC on.
I'm not impressed by your little import. But compared to your haunted Ranger. It is a very nice upgrade.
This is what infuriates me about hypermilers, the disregard for traffic safety, some of the things are ok but these 2 in particular p**s me off. Coasting to a stop..fine if you use the accompanying hand signal of your intentions..those brake lights are to let the guy behind you know what you're doing ..so if you're coasting window down and hand signal. Why? Because I or whoever is behind you and rear ends you because they didn't realize you're hyper miling is the one who gets cited for following too close.
The second is beyond stupid..draft a semi ...ok thats real safe you can't see anything and if something happens and he locks em up they'll be scraping you off the DOT bumper..oh and of course the evil trucker will get the blame cause its always their fault.
Not saying you're a liar or anything, but I know several people who own Cameros and I haven't heard of any of them getting over 20. EDIT: I should mention that this is with the vast majority of miles in a city environment similar to my area, if not in my area.
http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bestworst.shtml
ALSO EDIT: The following isn't directed directly at Maaso BTW, just info for the general reading population
If you notice, I only see 2 domestics in the list for the best mileage. All the rest are foreign. As much as I'd rather buy American, our engineering sucks compared to the Japanese. I mean I freaking work for an engineering firm, so I see American engineering from all over the country all the time. It freaking sucks compared to the Japanese. Those people are machines. The working conditions they have and hours they work wouldn't ever happen in the states, because for the most part we're a bunch of freaking pansies. We did a job for some Japanese one time (they contracted us to do some work here in the States for them). The stuff they wanted us to do was crazy, I mean those people are hardcore about their engineering. They don't play around.
Yeah but I don't see anything on that list at all that is what I need for living in the rural mountains..looking at the pics..hell I don't even see any real cars.ALSO EDIT: The following isn't directed directly at Maaso BTW, just info for the general reading population
If you notice, I only see 2 domestics in the list for the best mileage. All the rest are foreign. As much as I'd rather buy American, our engineering sucks compared to the Japanese. I mean I freaking work for an engineering firm, so I see American engineering from all over the country all the time. It freaking sucks compared to the Japanese. Those people are machines. The working conditions they have and hours they work wouldn't ever happen in the states, because for the most part we're a bunch of freaking pansies. We did a job for some Japanese one time (they contracted us to do some work here in the States for them). The stuff they wanted us to do was crazy, I mean those people are hardcore about their engineering. They don't play around.
There are more non-Japanese cars on that list than there are Japanese. The Germans seem to be doing just about as well without having to kill their engineers. Out of the 18 cars on the list they break down like this. Up until this year you could have made an argument for Saab being American since they were owned by GM.http://www.fueleconomy.gov/FEG/bestworst.shtml
ALSO EDIT: The following isn't directed directly at Maaso BTW, just info for the general reading population
If you notice, I only see 2 domestics in the list for the best mileage. All the rest are foreign. As much as I'd rather buy American, our engineering sucks compared to the Japanese. I mean I freaking work for an engineering firm, so I see American engineering from all over the country all the time. It freaking sucks compared to the Japanese. Those people are machines. The working conditions they have and hours they work wouldn't ever happen in the states, because for the most part we're a bunch of freaking pansies. We did a job for some Japanese one time (they contracted us to do some work here in the States for them). The stuff they wanted us to do was crazy, I mean those people are hardcore about their engineering. They don't play around.
6 Japanese
5 German
2 Korean
2 British
2 American
1 Sweedish
Well not to be an anus, but there is only 1 Japan and plenty of other countries... so it makes sense that there are more vehicles from other countries, since there are a lot more countries than just Japan, but the fact that they have the most says something. I've never worked with any German engineers and don't know any so I can't say much from personal experience.There are more non-Japanese cars on that list than there are Japanese. The Germans seem to be doing just about as well without having to kill their engineers. Out of the 18 cars on the list they break down like this. Up until this year you could have made an argument for Saab being American since they were owned by GM.
6 Japanese
5 German
2 Korean
2 British
2 American
1 Sweedish
@Hipoint45: What exactly is a real car then? I mean if you live out in the country you will need a truck or something, but I don't see what makes a Yaris not a "real car." It has plenty of trunk space, it's nice and roomy inside (me and 4 guys from work take it to lunch every day and they all say that there is plenty of room). I wouldn't think a Smart would be a good choice to take for the family vacation vehicle, but I'm pretty sure this Yaris would do just fine.
Well, those hours and working conditions you mentioned that wouldn't fly in the states, definitely wouldn't fly in the EU where their labor laws are even more strict. So it would seem that the Japanese have to work insanely hard just to get the same kind of results. How do you think the Japanese engineers would do if restricted to a 40 hour work week? The phrase that comes to mind is work smarter, not harder.
Ah I see your point now. I don't think that they'd be too badly effected though. They'd figure out some way to optimise and move on. I don't care for working for them at all, and most of the ones I've met are hardcore douches, but hey, they make a good product and have a work ethic like I've never seen before, so they have my admiration and respect for that.
As far as drafting, no argument from me. It's dangerous, and I avoid it.
On coasting though, YES, it is good to press the brake pedal far enough to light up the back, but it's not my fault if the idiot behind me can't watch his following distance. We're not talking about stop-and-go traffic here. I'm just saying, the guy in front of you going slowly is not an excuse for not paying attention... and we are talking about coasting, not abrupt stops.
Wow, that's it? My 1998 Ford Escort gets about 31-32. You'd think they could squeeze a little better mileage in 10 years out of these sub-compacts. :cantlook:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Depth_perception
Haha, sorry, I'm bein' a jerk now... but seriously, how closely are you following people? If you have 3 car-lengths between your front bumper and my back bumper, my deceleration rate of say, 1-2 MPH every 5 seconds is going to give you plenty of time to notice that I'm slowing down. I'm just not seeing how you can manage to hit somebody in front of you if they are coasting in neutral and you are not aggressively tailing or speeding up.
All in good nature here - as I said, I would agree that lighting up the brake lights is a common courtesy - sometimes I do it even when I'm not slowing down, if the dude behind me thinks 5 feet is a safe following distance on the highway.
Your ford escort was built with a lot less safety equipment than a modern subcompact car... the government doesn't think we're mature enough to make our own decisions about whether we want airbags etc. so the federally mandated safety equipment list grows and grows and adds weight and complexity to the car. My Aveo would get better mileage if I stripped out the airbags, passenger seats, dashboard, etc. - but such a vehicle would never be legal for sale as a new car. In fact, if I removed my airbags I'm pretty sure I'd be in violation of at least a state law, if not federal - designed to protect the non-existent future buyers of my vehicle.
AND....
My Camaro:
95Z28, 396CUI LT4, Lunati "Sledgehammer" rotating assembly, TPIS "ZZ-X" cam(duration @50 239/239, lift 558/558, LSA 112), JESEL 1.6 shaft mounted rockers, AFR LT4 heads, stock GM LT4 intake, 58mm TB, a lot of weight removed(underpadding carpet, back seat, amp/speaker box, airbags) the list can go on and on...
With the 6-speed, I was right 1800 RPM at 75mph. I was making 518 fftlbs around 2000 RPM. That engine was barely breathing, or doing any work to move a car that light. It would idle at 1500 RPM too...
Yeah my Yaris is a lot heavier than I thought it would be. If I'm reading these numbers right it weighs a bit over a ton.
@Maaso, I have no idea what any of that means...but I'll take your word for it lol.
@Maaso, I have no idea what any of that means...but I'll take your word for it lol.
No it's ok all in good fun..maybe I'll coast to stops in my semi with those little hypermilers drafting back there..won't even feel em when they splatter
Its a bit harder to stop a semi btw and if traffic is heavy or the guy in front of me is behind a hypermiler and panics and slams brakes when the hypermiler finally lights up, well then I got problems or more specifically he does. I was making the point that if you're going to stop without using brakes in city traffic brush up on your hand signals thats all.-
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