FireClean gun oil=rip off

Discussion in 'General Firearms Discussion' started by GLUGLUG, Sep 13, 2015.

  1. ajole

    ajole Supporting Member

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    A- never heard of the stuff.

    B- never buy the story, or the hype, or the opinion of "experts" unless they have real evidence.:rolleyes:
     

  2. lklawson

    lklawson Staff Member

    Well, he does say that it's "reasonably effective."

    Now, where have I heard before that there may be "alternative" products to the high-priced oils, lubes, cleaners, and preservatives marketed to gun buyers? Sounds really familiar. :rofl:

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  3. lklawson

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    When it comes to veggie oils, most of them will work "reasonably well." There are four things you want to consider.

    1. Smoke Point
    2. Flash Point
    3. Oxidation
    4. Rancid

    The smoke point is the temperature at which the veggie oil will begin to smoke. At this point it's degrading, breaking down, and will start failing to function well as a lubricant.

    To dramatically over-simplify it, the flash point is the temperature at which it will catch on fire, basically.

    Oxidation is when oxygen starts bonding with the oil, making it sticky, gummy, or hard. This is obviously bad for something you're wanting to use as a lube. Flax-Seed oil, the "safe to eat" version of Linseed oil, is known for this; it is also used as a wood finish and to produce early "linoleum" flooring. (It's also exothermic!)

    Some vegetable oils can turn rancid or rotten, making it both sticky and stinky!

    That said, many veggie oils work just fine. For firearms lubes, you want ones with a high Smoke Point and Flash point. At a guess, I'd say a Flash Point of at least 400 degrees. By comparison, according to EngineeringToolbox.com, various motor oils have a Flash Point of between 420 and 485 degrees.

    Here's a cooking site which lists cooking oils with both Smoke Point and Flash Point temperature averages: http://jonbarron.org/diet-and-nutrition/healthiest-cooking-oil-chart-smoke-points

    There are a lot of veggie oils which fall within the range of 400-480-ish and a few which exceed that and run into the 500 degree range (if you don't mind your gun smelling like guacamole dip).

    But, yeah, if you wanna jump on the "all natural" band-waggon for cheap, then a bottle of generic brand canola oil is an extra cheap way of doing it. Heck, you can even get it in aerosol!

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    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
    Last edited: Sep 14, 2015
  4. lklawson

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    I may have to extend the section on veggie oils in The Cheapskate's Guide...

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  5. cicpup

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  6. lsi1

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    theres another article as a follow up that of course contains fire cleans statement but then right below that is his patent application which involves mixing veggie oils to creat a gun lubricant.

    I don't imagine that theres really a lit of money for gun oil R&D so much as a couple rednecks in a garage somewhere looking for slippery stuff.

    I got a squirt bottle of slip 2000 that seems slippery enough for me but when its gone i'll just use synthetic motor oil. stupid car takes 4.5qt anyhow why would people build a motor that doesn't just take an even number of quarts of oil?
     
  7. SWAGA

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    I'll be using coconut oil from now on, smoke point of 350F
    My SKS will smell nice and tropical.
     
  8. moona11

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    That's code for something else right ;-)
     
  9. SWAGA

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  11. lklawson

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  12. moona11

    moona11 King of you Monkeys Lifetime Supporter

    Won't help Kirk the boy is in denial
     
  13. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter


    What ya talking 'bout Willis?

    Samozaryadnyj KoKonutski sistemy Simonova is really what SKS stands for.
     
  14. lklawson

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    Well, you could probably mix in your own anti-oxidants which would help. Powered Vitamin C comes to mind, but I have no idea how well it would dissolve into oil.

    Sounds like a fun experiment. If I had infinite time and money I'd probably try it just to screw around. :)

    Peace favor your sword,
    Kirk
     
  15. 45Man

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    One of the dumbest videos I've ever seen. What they say is complete nonsense. All it proves is FIREClean burns faster than CLP. That makes Larry Vickers a total a-hole, which I always suspected. He is no stranger to controvesry, it seems to be his business.
     
  16. 556

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    Mobil-1 Synthetic oil for me. 1QT last you forever.
     
  17. Though coconut is good for Thai Curries...

    Unrefined peanut oil has a smoke point of 320 degrees Fahrenheit, while refined peanut oil has a smoke point of 448 degrees Fahrenheit. The fire point of both oils is 700 degrees Fahrenheit.

    They all have a rancid period as they are vegetable instead of mineral. But here it is

    "Unrefined peanut oil has a smoke point of 320 degrees Fahrenheit, while refined peanut oil has a smoke point of 448 degrees Fahrenheit. The fire point of both oils is 700 degrees Fahrenheit."

    Peanut oil is recommended for grills because of it's high flash and smoke point and because peanut butter is good.
     
  18. SWAGA

    SWAGA No longer broke... Lifetime Supporter

    Except if the guy next to you at the range has a peanut allergy.
     
  19. Rerun

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    Bacon grease - It's Job One!

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